I feel like that's significantly more than Eichel got lol, our 2022 1st if in the 4-8 range (likely) will be better than Krebs+Vegas's 2022 1st, and the 2023 1st is probably worth more than Tuch+2nd. And Chychrun isn't close to Eichel, obviously. Our 1sts should be off the table full stop, but I feel like what you said without the firsts is probably a realistic deal for Chychrun. Like Brannstrom is worth a 1st. JBD is worth a 1st. Formenton is worth a 2nd, maybe a late 1st. White has some value still, probably like a 2nd or 3rd, but he's a decent NHLer now which is more appealing than a 14th pick in this draft.

In all seriousness, I think about that Dahlin-to-Los Angeles post from a couple days ago that was really well done and would be completely unsurprised to see Chychrun in either Anaheim or Los Angeles. I think the Kings are more likely, but the only piece either team is really desperately missing is that top-pair LHD for their future.

I think the package proposed was Kempe, Turcotte, the 2022 1st, and a 2022 2nd: it's structured identically to the Eichel trade and honestly, I'd take that and run if I were Arizona so long as the first rounder was only top-3 protected.

if arizona trades chychrun i will never watch a game again.

horrible sspot that this team is in right now.

very dissapoting to see.

Oh yeh but I think Buffalo got rinsed on the Eichel trade and lost by a MILES - not a great comparable when Buffalo got shafted.

I think Chychrun is a fine defender who excels at goal scoring. But that doesn’t mean he’s not good at defence.

I think you go

Chabot - Zub
Chychrun- Holden?
Sanderson - Thomson
JBD/ Mete

Shoot Zaitsev to the sun. You have a rock solid top 4 and a 3rd pair who can learn and ease into the pro game and provide 20 min if need be; or play a smooth 12-16 and even expose teams when they have to deal with that top 4 and then you throw out these two hungry kids who are talented. You can actually push for the playoffs and not have to worry “we have a rookie in Sanderson and Thomson playing 17-21 and 13-18”. You basically have a potentially elite D core and then you just have to focus on getting a scoring winger for Stutzle. Think about, Ottawa could actually be confident in winning a round if they make the playoffs next year. I’m less confident if I see:

Chabot - Zub
Sanderson - Holden?
? - Thomson/ JBD
Zaitsev/ Mete

Ottawa needs to start winning and we’re seeing it right now; if the Sens actually could ice a consistent and competitive complete roster, this team could be scary. Starting with Chychrun imo begins that process and shows the players that “yeah we’re still building, but we believe in you guys”. Just my thought.

You got two problems:

A) we are too strong on defence, we have Chabot, Chychrun, JBD, Sanderson, Thomson, Zub and we’re too deep on the left

B) we’re too thin on defence and could still add a 17-22 min D man to help the kids.


Personally I want the problem that I can deal with not the problem that requires me to go out and make a deal.

Really putting Sanderson on the 3rd pair? He’s going to be a 1st pair guy lol

At this point MOVE the team. Bettmans bailing out the titanic with a yogurt cup at this point

I mean it’s bold to assume that Sanderson can handle elite QoC. I’m not saying he can’t but I don’t see harm in a kid starting on the third pair. I mean not a direct comparable but Ferraro started on the third and worked his way up within two years and now he’s a bonafide top 4 kid (well he’s actually a top pair guy playing 24+ min a night, but we’ll be humble and say he’s a top4 lmao). Sanderson obviously holds much more potential but if Sanderson plays 14-18 min a night and gets extra assignments and exposes other 3rd pairs and middle 6’s; thats confidence building and not a bad thing. And hey if he needs a steady and slow minutes some nights like 12-14 while he develops he has that opportunity on the third pair. He can learn from Zub, Chabot, Chychrun and more importantly not have to be stressed on. Protect the assets. Just cause he’s on the third pair doesn’t mean he’ll play 8 min.

You’re still blocking him for the future. Also Sanderson is like Seider and Power not like Ferraro. The guy is an absolute stud that will be playing 20 mins a night from his first game and dominating

I'd personally take this approach as well: you could always elevate Sanderson throughout the season to the second pairing.

What I don't particularly agree with is bringing in the kind of player that would block Jake from that #2LHD spot over the course of his ELC, and I think Chychrun is that sort of piece. The Senators need that premier, minute-munching RHD - I haven't the faintest clue as to who that could be, maybe Marino - and would expect the kinds of assets being proposed for Chychrun to be thrown instead at the greater position of need.

Names like Nemec and Jiricek are likely in-range of the Senators' first rounder this year, but I think he falls outside their window of availability. Either young man would be just making the NHL as the Senators are starting to look to be one of the powerhouses of the Atlantic.

I agree. We need that Defensive RHD guy

I just don’t see any RHD available of the quality of Chychrun and more high picks is more of the same and lengthens the rebuild. Chychrun does actually play on the ride a good amount after checking frozen tools. But the point being I don’t think Ottawa should focus on “let’s develop a RHD for 2026”.



I don’t see it as that much of an impass and I’m not saying Sanderson is like Ferraro - but I think many teams fall victim to themselves for expecting kids to play 20 min a night for 82 games.

I would try to get Connor Murphy. He’s on a good deal . And Chicago might be rebuilding

Really? I thought ultimately they got about fair value for him, given the fact that his value was going downhill daily and all the question marks around his health. Like I was proposing Monahan+Dube+1st+Zary for a while, which is fairly comparable to what they ended up getting. Chychrun has been mediocre this year, is signed for 2 less years, and LD is less valuable than 1C. With that as the most recent major trade for a superstar, there's no shot he gets more than Eichel got. I'd probably take Turcotte+Kempe+protected 1st+2nd from the Kings if that was offered. Ottawa probably won't part with as high end of a piece as Turcotte (unless you view Brannstrom in that tier, which he used to be, but Smith is tanking his value by not giving him the time he deserves), but could do 5 pieces that are closer to NHL ready and still pretty high tier.

Nashville also adds 6 plays atleast today to the COVID list.

This is a good take. If Chychrun shot right, or could play the right side (idk if he can/does, I don't watch Coyotes games lmao) then I'd be all over it. But really, Chabot and Sanderson are both #1 defensemen, or will be soon, and they shoot left, so we just need to fill out the right side with solid enough complementary pieces. I'm hopeful that with Zub, Thomson, and JBD we already have them (Zub is a good defensive guy now, JBD is a good defensive guy who will be a top 4 RD in probably 2 years, Thomson is a good 2-way guy who will probably be a top 4 RD in 1-2 years), but you never really know. Getting a guy like Marino, Carlo, Cernak, or Murphy would be fantastic. I wouldn't be looking at Nemec and Jiricek, partially because we already have 2 high-end RD prospects + Zub, partially because their timeline is a couple years off, and partially because they also project as #1 defensemen, and having 3 #1 guys seems like overkill when we need help up front, so we should be focusing on a forward for sure (preferably a C or RW, but honestly a LW could work too, just play Stutzle at C and Pinto at RW).

Can Arizona just fold and the nhl takes care of the contracts that some of the players don’t get picked up in the fold draft. Please stop Arizona just stop

Dobson is untouchable, he’s not going anywhere. That is an awful trade for the islanders.

This must be why I am only an ACGM.

Give to get was the premise.

The islanders are last team that should be trading for Chychrun. They have two defenseman better than him, it makes no sense to waste a bunch of assets on a defenseman. If the isles are going to trade a 1st, it has to be for a forward

Would love to see a Bailey + Holmstrom + 1st for a top 6 winger

I get that, I just think Chychrun makes no sense for the isles to target

The isles should be looking at trading for Fiala or Kubalik

Fiala would be an EXCELLENT fit on the Isles, even Trotz would like him