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Fiala Futures - read desc

Créé par: MNCountryClub

Équipe: 2021-22 Wild du Minnesota

Date de création initiale: 23 nov. 2021

Publié: 24 nov. 2021

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

Description

I realize not all of these packages are equal in value and some teams may not have interest. I’m just trying to get some boundaries established, for my own understanding, around lower end and higher end returns for Fiala with the focus being a futures package.

I’m aware that the prevailing opinion is that the wild need a C back, but the purpose of this is to gauge futures value, not argue over what MIN should or shouldn’t be doing.

Transactions

MIN

Turcotte, Alex
Choix de 2e ronde en 2022 (LAK)

LAK

Fiala, Kevin

MIN

Brännström, Erik
Greig, Ridly
Choix de 3e ronde en 2022 (OTT)

OTT

MIN

Mukhamadullin, Shakir [Liste de réserve]
Choix de 2e ronde en 2022 (NJD)

NJD

MIN

Veleno, Joseph
Choix de 2e ronde en 2022 (DET)

DET

MIN

Hagelin, Carl
Lapierre, Hendrix
Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (WSH)

WSH

MIN

Chytil, Filip
Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (NYR)

NYR

Rachats de contrats

Zach Parise: 2 371 794 $
Ryan Suter: 2 371 794 $

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
2022
2023
2024

FORMATION

VUE À LONG TERME

INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
29	81 500 000 $	80 513 087 $	0 $	2 451 250 $	986 913 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Kaprizov, Kirill 9 000 000 $9 000 000 $ AG UFA - 5	Eriksson Ek, Joel 5 250 000 $5 250 000 $ C UFA - 8	Duhaime, Brandon 750 000 $750 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 2
	Rask, Victor 2 000 000 $2 000 000 $ C UFA - 1	Zuccarello, Mats 6 000 000 $6 000 000 $ AD, AG NMC UFA - 3
Foligno, Marcus 3 100 000 $3 100 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 3	Hartman, Ryan 1 700 000 $1 700 000 $ C, AD UFA - 3
Greenway, Jordan 2 100 000 $2 100 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1	Gaudreau, Frédérick 1 200 000 $1 200 000 $ C, AG UFA - 2
Greig, Ridly 894 167 $894 167 $ C, AG RFA - 4	Pitlick, Rem 917 831 $917 831 $ AG, AD UFA - 1
Hagelin, Carl 2 750 000 $2 750 000 $ AG UFA - 2	Bjugstad, Nick 900 000 $900 000 $ C, AD UFA - 1
	Sturm, Nico 725 000 $725 000 $ C UFA - 1
	Turcotte, Alex 894 167 $894 167 $ (1 550 000 $$2M) C RFA - 3
	Veleno, Joseph 894 167 $894 167 $ (318 750 $$319K) C RFA - 2
	Lapierre, Hendrix 894 167 $894 167 $ C RFA - 4
	Chytil, Filip 2 300 000 $2 300 000 $ C, AG UFA - 2

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Brodin, Jonas 6 000 000 $6 000 000 $ DG NMC UFA - 7	Spurgeon, Jared 7 575 000 $7 575 000 $ DD NMC UFA - 6	Talbot, Cam 3 666 667 $3 666 667 $ G UFA - 2
Goligoski, Alex 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ DG/DD NMC UFA - 1	Dumba, Matt 6 000 000 $6 000 000 $ DD M-NTC UFA - 2	Kähkönen, Kaapo 725 000 $725 000 $ G UFA - 1
Kulikov, Dmitry 1 125 000 $1 125 000 $ DG/DD M-NTC UFA - 2	Addison, Calen 795 000 $795 000 $ (132 500 $$132K) DD RFA - 2
Benn, Jordie 900 000 $900 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 1
Merrill, Jon 850 000 $850 000 $ DG UFA - 1
Brännström, Erik 863 333 $863 333 $ (450 000 $$450K) DG/DD, AG RFA - 1

24 nov. 2021 à 15 h 42

villenash

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Do Veleno, Mukhamadullin, and Turcotte really have the same trade value?

24 nov. 2021 à 15 h 43

Vermathex

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rangers cannot give up chytil in any trade that does not bring back a center. I think kravtsov and a first is much more likely

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24 nov. 2021 à 15 h 43

MNCountryClub

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Quoting: villenash

Do Veleno, Mukhamadullin, and Turcotte really have the same trade value?

This is exactly why I put “read description” in the title.

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24 nov. 2021 à 15 h 46

MNCountryClub

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Quoting: Vermathex

rangers cannot give up chytil in any trade that does not bring back a center. I think kravtsov and a first is much more likely

Makes sense, good feedback

24 nov. 2021 à 15 h 46

DeadWingsv2

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Not a fit for Detroit. We need a center more than a winger and ideally, a right handed one at that. The value is fine, just don't like the fit.

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24 nov. 2021 à 15 h 54

BuFfaLOFaN

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Sabres could be interested, maybe. It could be good to send a couple assets for one players since we have an over abundance of top 6 and potential top 6 talent. Maybe something like Ryan Johnson, and the 2022 2nd, maybe Florida's first?

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24 nov. 2021 à 15 h 55

MNCountryClub

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Quoting: DeadWingsv2

Not a fit for Detroit. We need a center more than a winger and ideally, a right handed one at that. The value is fine, just don't like the fit.

Roger that. Saw a Det proposal for Boeser, which is where the idea came from. Wasn’t sure on their needs personally.

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24 nov. 2021 à 15 h 57

Lancebmx

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Quoting: DeadWingsv2

Not a fit for Detroit. We need a center more than a winger and ideally, a right handed one at that. The value is fine, just don't like the fit.

I was about to say this as much as I like Fiala. Would be possible if we made another trade for a more established centre, but not much room for more wingers in Detroit.

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24 nov. 2021 à 16 h 1

MNCountryClub

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Quoting: BuFfaLOFaN

I wondered about Buffalo, but wasn’t sure if there was any appetite there. I think if Fiala agreed to a long term deal, there could potentially be a fit.

The framework of your deal is good. We have a surplus of LD, so Johnson probably isn’t preferred but that’s me being nitpicky, especially with the other pieces you mentioned. Anyway the framework is a good idea, and it could be workshopped.

24 nov. 2021 à 16 h 5

#10

littlejerryseinfeld

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You should look at Reinhart as a basis. 1st and a decent prospect.

Same situation. He can go to arbitration and then walk to UFA

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24 nov. 2021 à 16 h 6

#11

littlejerryseinfeld

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Quoting: BuFfaLOFaN

Why are we trading assets for an arbitration eligible player who is 1 year from UFA?

It's not even 20 games into the rebuild.

24 nov. 2021 à 16 h 7

#12

littlejerryseinfeld

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Quoting: drmantalban

It makes no sense for us. He can take his arbitration award and then walk to UFA in a year.

We should be building with the assets we got for ristolainen, eichel and Reinhart, not selling them

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24 nov. 2021 à 16 h 15

#13

gary_bettman

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I get aiming high but I do not see Fiala netting any of these returns.

24 nov. 2021 à 16 h 18

#14

MNCountryClub

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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld

You should look at Reinhart as a basis. 1st and a decent prospect.

Same situation. He can go to arbitration and then walk to UFA

Yeah that’s pretty much the basis I tried to use here. But just turned the dials up or down depending on who the prospect was or where the pick is projected to be.

24 nov. 2021 à 16 h 19

#15

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Quoting: gary_bettman

I get aiming high but I do not see Fiala netting any of these returns.

Why not? His numbers align with the ask. I also don’t consider all of these packages equal.

24 nov. 2021 à 16 h 22

#16

gary_bettman

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Quoting: drmantalban

Why not? His numbers align with the ask. I also don’t consider all of these packages equal.

Expiring deal, inconsistent performances, clearly has ego issues. I wouldn't pay a 1st alone for Fiala.

24 nov. 2021 à 16 h 22

#17

sensonfire

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I have a question.

If Minnesota were to trade Fiala, would you be happy with something like what Minnesota got from the Jason Zucker trade with Pittsburgh?

https://www.capfriendly.com/trades/players/jason-zucker

I know Zucker and Fiala are not the same player.

I'm just curious.

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24 nov. 2021 à 16 h 23

#18

NHLfan10506

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Generally, I think this is right idea. Wish we saw more of these on here.
Not all of these packages would be ranked similarly by each team.

For my own personal tastes, I'd do the first two for sure.

1. LAK (Turcotte)
2. WAS (Lapierre)

3. OTT (Greig, Brannstrom)
4. NJD (Mukhamadullin)
5. NYR (Chytil)
6. DET (Veleno)

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24 nov. 2021 à 16 h 23

#19

Caerii

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Quoting: sensonfire

Yes, that would be the ideal framework. Fiala is a much, much better player than Zucker ever was, so I'd prefer it be a bit better return, but Fiala has less team control too, so it's a crapshoot. But 1st+good prospect should be the basis.

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24 nov. 2021 à 16 h 28

#20

MNCountryClub

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Quoting: gary_bettman

Expiring deal, inconsistent performances, clearly has ego issues. I wouldn't pay a 1st alone for Fiala.

I think that’s fine if that’s your opinion, but I don’t think that objectively represents the market. Nothing you said besides the expiring deal holds much water for me from a valuation standpoint.

24 nov. 2021 à 16 h 36

#21

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Quoting: NHLfan10506

Close to mine as well. I had NJD and OTT flip flopped, but that’s mostly because I had visions of a Kaprizov-Khustnutdinov-Mukhamadullin line about 4 years from now. The play by play announcing of that alone would be fun.

24 nov. 2021 à 16 h 41

#22

NHLfan10506

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Quoting: drmantalban

Oh. In that case we'll throw in Sharangovich, Vukojevic and Okhotiuk

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24 nov. 2021 à 16 h 56

#23

Stanley_Cup_To_Manhattan

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You're expecting way too much. Goodness.

24 nov. 2021 à 17 h 0

#24

BuFfaLOFaN

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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld

Why are we trading assets for an arbitration eligible player who is 1 year from UFA?

It's not even 20 games into the rebuild.

Obviously trade would have to come with a extension, play him across from Ollofson on the top line for 2/3 years while our core grows. It's more of a retool than rebuild IMO, no team goes into rebuild mode when they have a top 3 core under 23.

24 nov. 2021 à 17 h 44

#25

Pinto

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As a Sens fan, that would be an easy package to say yes to. The hope is Greig becomes only half of what Fiala is, and Brännström's upside is debateable.

That being said, Reinhart just went for a 1st + Levi, and so Greig + Brännström + a 3rd is a little bit too much.

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