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Landeskog

Créé par: Erkadurk347
Date de création initiale: 11 juill. 2021
Publié: 11 juill. 2021
Équipe: 2021-22 Hurricanes de la Caroline
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
Bean, Jake11 750 000 $
Foegele, Warren32 350 000 $
Geekie, Morgan11 150 000 $
Nedeljkovic, Alex33 000 000 $
Svechnikov, Andrei87 500 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
Hamilton, Dougie88 500 000 $
Hakanpää, Jani21 500 000 $
Landeskog, Gabriel77 250 000 $
Martinook, Jordan12 250 000 $
McGinn, Brock12 250 000 $
Reimer, James11 500 000 $
Kulikov, Dmitry21 750 000 $
Vatanen, Sami11 000 000 $
Transactions
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CAR
    SEA
    1. Skjei, Brady
    2.
    CAR
    1. 2022 7e round pick (DET)
    DET
    1. Niederreiter, Nino
    2. Gardiner, Jake
    3. 2021 1e round pick (CAR)
    4. 2022 3e round pick (CAR)
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    2021
    CAR
    CAR
    CAR
    CAR
    CAR
    LAK
    STL
    2022
    CAR
    CAR
    CAR
    CAR
    CAR
    ANA
    CAR
    CBJ
    DET
    2023
    CAR
    CAR
    CAR
    CAR
    CAR
    CAR
    CAR
    TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
    2381 500 000 $80 136 916 $0 $537 500 $1 363 084 $
    Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
    Landeskog, Gabriel
    7 250 000 $
    AG, C
    NMC
    UFA - 8
    CAR
    Aho, Sebastian
    8 460 250 $
    C, AG
    UFA - 3
    CAR
    Svechnikov, Andrei
    7 500 000 $
    AG, AD
    UFA - 8
    CAR
    Teräväinen, Teuvo
    5 400 000 $
    AD, AG
    UFA - 3
    CAR
    Trocheck, Vincent
    4 750 000 $
    C, AD
    UFA - 1
    CAR
    Necas, Martin
    863 333 $
    AD, C
    RFA - 1
    CAR
    Foegele, Warren
    2 350 000 $
    AG, AD
    UFA - 3
    CAR
    Staal, Jordan
    6 000 000 $
    C, AG
    NMC
    UFA - 2
    CAR
    Fast, Jesper
    2 000 000 $
    AD
    UFA - 2
    CAR
    Martinook, Jordan
    2 250 000 $
    C, AG, AD
    UFA - 3
    CAR
    Suzuki, Ryan
    863 333 $
    C
    RFA - 3
    CAR
    McGinn, Brock
    2 250 000 $
    AG, AD
    UFA - 4
    Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
    CAR
    Slavin, Jaccob
    5 300 000 $
    DG
    NTC
    UFA - 4
    CAR
    Hamilton, Dougie
    8 500 000 $
    DD
    NMC
    UFA - 7
    CAR
    Nedeljkovic, Alex
    3 000 000 $
    G
    UFA - 2
    CAR
    Bean, Jake
    1 750 000 $
    DG/DD
    RFA - 3
    CAR
    Pesce, Brett
    4 025 000 $
    DD
    UFA - 3
    CAR
    Reimer, James
    1 500 000 $
    G
    NTC
    UFA - 2
    Kulikov, Dmitry
    1 750 000 $
    DG
    NTC
    UFA - 2
    CAR
    Hakanpää, Jani
    1 500 000 $
    DD
    UFA - 3
    Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
    Vatanen, Sami
    1 000 000 $
    DG/DD
    UFA
    CAR
    Lorentz, Steven
    725 000 $
    AD, C, AG
    RFA - 1
    CAR
    Geekie, Morgan
    1 150 000 $
    C, AD
    RFA - 1
    Équipe de réserve
    CAR
    Jarvis, Seth
    894 167 $ (0 $)
    AD
    RFA - 3
    CAR
    Bokk, Dominik
    863 333 $ (0 $)
    AG, AD
    RFA - 2
    CAR
    Rees, Jamieson
    839 167 $ (0 $)
    C
    RFA - 3

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    11 juill. à 9 h 13
    #1
    Rejoint: juill. 2019
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    I don’t see Landeskog leaving the Avs. He’s been the captain and he’s been through a lot with the team. He would probably like to stay with them as they become serious cup contenders.
    aedoran a aimé ceci.
    11 juill. à 9 h 18
    #2
    MisstheWhalers
    Rejoint: janv. 2019
    Messages: 15,277
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    Probably some angry Wings fans coming here soon, to me that looks like a good trade for Detroit.
    11 juill. à 9 h 27
    #3
    Rejoint: juill. 2020
    Messages: 988
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    Quoting: MisstheWhalers
    Probably some angry Wings fans coming here soon, to me that looks like a good trade for Detroit.


    You're probably not wrong. The first is pretty late in the round too.
    I don't hate it as a wings fan Nino is just 1 year, and Gardiner is 2, but is at least at a position of need, though I don't think he fits the system too well.

    I would hope for more, but wouldn't be mad.
    dtd_tank, NLidstrom et BStinson a aimé ceci.
    11 juill. à 9 h 27
    #4
    Rejoint: juin 2016
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    Quoting: MisstheWhalers
    Probably some angry Wings fans coming here soon, to me that looks like a good trade for Detroit.


    I'm a wings fan, and maybe I'm out of the loop, but I'm surprised to see Nino considered a dump... What am I missing?

    Edit: looks like Nino's production has been lackluster the last couple years. But, without getting too greedy, I don't hate it.
    Billy12Bob a aimé ceci.
    11 juill. à 9 h 29
    #5
    Rejoint: sept. 2020
    Messages: 1,995
    Mentions "j'aime": 1,052
    Detroit accepts, players useful.

    How about adding Foegele?

    Gardiner + Niederreiter + Foegele + 2021 1st for Big Brother Svechnikov + 2021 4th.

    From what I understand, Foegele has asked to be traded.
    11 juill. à 9 h 30
    #6
    Banni
    Rejoint: juin 2016
    Messages: 33,053
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    Detroit accepts, Waddle isn't giving that much to Dougie Hamilton he's 100% gone. Landeskog gets more money and he's staying in Colorado.
    BStinson a aimé ceci.
    11 juill. à 9 h 33
    #7
    Rejoint: juin 2020
    Messages: 3,146
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    Why not save the picks and not sign Martinook, McGinn, and Foegele? Keep Nino one the 3rd line and play Lorentz and Geekie? Or go get a 4th liner for much cheaper?
    vikhodush a aimé ceci.
    11 juill. à 9 h 42
    #8
    MisstheWhalers
    Rejoint: janv. 2019
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    Quoting: Seider53
    You're probably not wrong. The first is pretty late in the round too.
    I don't hate it as a wings fan Nino is just 1 year, and Gardiner is 2, but is at least at a position of need, though I don't think he fits the system too well.

    I would hope for more, but wouldn't be mad.


    Nino had 20 goals in 56 games, pretty close to 30 in a full season, Detroit could probably flip him for a 2nd to a team desperate for wingers, the Oilers come to mind, he's not really a cap dump.

    Yeah Gardiner has another year but he's probably traded in his final year for a mid to late pick, provides a LHD body for a couple seasons for the Wings.

    Idk, this is decent for Detroit.
    NLidstrom et vikhodush a aimé ceci.
    11 juill. à 9 h 42
    #9
    Subbanator
    Rejoint: juill. 2017
    Messages: 4,654
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    Yes one of the cheapest owners in the league all of a sudden hands out three big contracts in one summer.......
    11 juill. à 9 h 45
    #10
    MisstheWhalers
    Rejoint: janv. 2019
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    Quoting: dtd_tank
    I'm a wings fan, and maybe I'm out of the loop, but I'm surprised to see Nino considered a dump... What am I missing?

    Edit: looks like Nino's production has been lackluster the last couple years. But, without getting too greedy, I don't hate it.


    Nino had 20 goals in 56 games this season which is pretty solid, I don't think he can be considered a cap dump after this past year, the prior season sure but not after this one, the poster was probably just wanting to clear space for Landeskog in one trade, they could probably move just Nino somewhere for a pick.
    vikhodush a aimé ceci.
    11 juill. à 9 h 47
    #11
    Rejoint: déc. 2018
    Messages: 144
    Mentions "j'aime": 119
    Modifié 11 juill. à 10 h 13
    Quoting: MisstheWhalers
    Probably some angry Wings fans coming here soon, to me that looks like a good trade for Detroit.


    I don’t think there will be much backlash.

    Gardener fills a positional need, has short term, and is the type of ‘cap dump’ trade the Wings would make if they do not trade for Dunn or sign a D in the free agency. Nino is still a quality forward and can likely be flipped for picks at the TDL since his contract is expiring. Even with the late 1st and 3rd I’d still probably make this trade.

    Edit - I do think you’ll get some unhappy CAR fans though!
    11 juill. à 9 h 49
    #12
    Miss the Thrashers
    Rejoint: mai 2018
    Messages: 10,098
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    That detroit trade holy hell. Moving Gardiner, I understand the logic, but you can just LTIR him. His back injuries are horrible, but he's useful when he's healthy.

    Niederreiter was on pace for 35 goals over 82 games and you're trying to dump him? His value is at the highest it's been in a while.
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    11 juill. à 9 h 52
    #13
    Rejoint: août 2020
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    Nino isnt a cap dump and you dont even need to move him. Martinook isnt coming back, replace him with an elc (drury). Foegele will also be traded so that opens up even more cap. With that space you can fit nino.
    vikhodush et MisstheWhalers a aimé ceci.
    11 juill. à 10 h 27
    #14
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    Quoting: Subbanator7667
    Yes one of the cheapest owners in the league all of a sudden hands out three big contracts in one summer.......


    I love a good false narrative
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    11 juill. à 10 h 35
    #15
    Subbanator
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    Quoting: ecupirate07
    I love a good false narrative


    What's false about it? Last time they tried to sign a star player another GM had to do it because the owner didn't want to give signing bonuses. Good luck this time around
    11 juill. à 10 h 45
    #16
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    Quoting: Subbanator7667
    What's false about it? Last time they tried to sign a star player another GM had to do it because the owner didn't want to give signing bonuses. Good luck this time around


    What is false about it, hmm lets see….
    Has spent close to the cap all three years of his ownership
    Spent a ton of unreported dollars to get the players the things that other teams have that Karmanos didn’t pay for
    Soent 90 million dollars in real salary for the 19-20 season.

    Sounds super cheap to me.
    Your narrative about not signing Aho is grossly false but you believe what you want.
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    11 juill. à 10 h 49
    #17
    Subbanator
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    Quoting: ecupirate07
    What is false about it, hmm lets see….
    Has spent close to the cap all three years of his ownership
    Spent a ton of unreported dollars to get the players the things that other teams have that Karmanos didn’t pay for
    Soent 90 million dollars in real salary for the 19-20 season.

    Sounds super cheap to me.
    Your narrative about not signing Aho is grossly false but you believe what you want.


    He also didn't want to play his commentary guy, waited to resign Brindmour because he didn't want to match what the open market was for that coach, cut costs in the food venues in stadium, has been very open about saying that NHL executives make to much and even had Elliott Friedman talking about it in his last 31 thoughts.

    Also don't know what's false about the Show contract, ownership didn't want to pay him that much and didn't want to pay him in signing bonuses so he went to another team for the contract he wanted. Also made sure it was a contract that walked him into free agency.

    Like I said, he is a cheap owner. Not Melnyk levels because he is actually rich and can afford it unlike Eugene but it's pretty well known around the league that he is cheap.
    11 juill. à 10 h 55
    #18
    Rejoint: oct. 2020
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    I would take that Detroit deal all day, nice doing business with you.

    I'll even through in the older svechnikov for free.
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    11 juill. à 12 h 12
    #19
    Rejoint: juin 2020
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    Modifié 11 juill. à 12 h 33
    Quoting: Subbanator7667
    He also didn't want to play his commentary guy, waited to resign Brindmour because he didn't want to match what the open market was for that coach, cut costs in the food venues in stadium, has been very open about saying that NHL executives make to much and even had Elliott Friedman talking about it in his last 31 thoughts.

    Also don't know what's false about the Show contract, ownership didn't want to pay him that much and didn't want to pay him in signing bonuses so he went to another team for the contract he wanted. Also made sure it was a contract that walked him into free agency.

    Like I said, he is a cheap owner. Not Melnyk levels because he is actually rich and can afford it unlike Eugene but it's pretty well known around the league that he is cheap.


    Tou grossly false but continue your narrative. It had zero to do with dollars or signing bonus but term. Clueless Montreal was duped into believing what you said is the case. I get it is a defense mechanism for you to keep from believing you got played.

    The announcer has zero to do with cheapness. This whole take is so laughable im not going to respond anymore
    11 juill. à 13 h 23
    #20
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    Quoting: Subbanator7667
    Yes one of the cheapest owners in the league all of a sudden hands out three big contracts in one summer.......


    Care to back that statement up with any factual evidence? Such a tired narrative.
    11 juill. à 13 h 34
    #21
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    Quoting: vikhodush
    Care to back that statement up with any factual evidence? Such a tired narrative.


    He tried with terrible examples of cant sign aho and didn’t pay Forslund. Pretty hilarious
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    11 juill. à 14 h 37
    #22
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    Quoting: ecupirate07
    He tried with terrible examples of cant sign aho and didn’t pay Forslund. Pretty hilarious


    Haha yeah I saw that after I posted. Also saw stuff about cutting spending on food at pnc or something like that which is silly. Dundon has put a ton of money into improvements all over pnc
    11 juill. à 15 h 1
    #23
    Lets Get Kraken
    Rejoint: avr. 2021
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    Quoting: Florida_Man_Maroon
    I don’t see Landeskog leaving the Avs. He’s been the captain and he’s been through a lot with the team. He would probably like to stay with them as they become serious cup contenders.


    I hate to be the one to point this out but the Avs would have to get past the second round first before they can even think about becoming cup contenders. They would need to make the most of Mackinnons current contract otherwise they will have to trade away other players so Mackinnon will get his raise.
    11 juill. à 15 h 54
    #24
    Subbanator
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    Quoting: ecupirate07
    Tou grossly false but continue your narrative. It had zero to do with dollars or signing bonus but term. Clueless Montreal was duped into believing what you said is the case. I get it is a defense mechanism for you to keep from believing you got played.

    The announcer has zero to do with cheapness. This whole take is so laughable im not going to respond anymore


    What was it to do with then? Because the same problem is now being reported with Svechnikov. Turn your blind eye all you want but it's laughable that Carolina hasn't actually been able to sign any big money contracts since he became owner.

    Always find it funny to that people think MTL got played. It was an easy win win for Montreal, either they got Aho for a great deal or they got to make sure that they didn't spend that money on an over paid FA. Was actually one of Bergevins best moves
    11 juill. à 16 h 11
    #25
    Your deal is bad
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    Quoting: Subbanator7667
    What was it to do with then? Because the same problem is now being reported with Svechnikov. Turn your blind eye all you want but it's laughable that Carolina hasn't actually been able to sign any big money contracts since he became owner.

    Always find it funny to that people think MTL got played. It was an easy win win for Montreal, either they got Aho for a great deal or they got to make sure that they didn't spend that money on an over paid FA. Was actually one of Bergevins best moves


    ....

    "It had zero to do with dollars or signing bonus but term"

    Also, you're right! What an absolute genius move by Bergevin to limit himself so he doesn't give out any trash contracts! What brilliance!
     
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