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Forum: Armchair-GM21 août à 13 h 53

Sujet: paying EP and QH market value read description pls

I like the analysis, I think you will be met with skepticism, and that was my initial reaction.
I have not gone through all player comparables, but using cap percentage instead of dollar value gives a different picture, Giroux as a comparable for example signed for 12.87% of the cap, which with today's cap hit would be $10.5m - I dont know however whether NHL execs think this way either.

Forum: Armchair-GM15 août à 18 h 20

Sujet: A few moves

As a Wings fan I don't understand why the Avs would do this?
You don't seem to be saving money, Girard is probably better than Hronek, if not better than at least pretty similar.

Forum: Armchair-GM15 août à 18 h 17

Sujet: If it must be Eichel this year-what next year could look like

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JS1</b></div><div>Why would they not? They need a leader on D. If you want to change the pick from 1st to a 2nd, ok.</div></div>

Because by that time you're hopefully handing the reigns of defensive leadership to Seider with maybe a couple of 'veterans' like Stetcher and Leddy to support the transition.
At the time of this trade Trouba has 3 further years at $8 million. Detroit clearly would not want that kind of contract on the books, especially as someone who's best characteristic is touted as leadership, you can tell this because they both do not have anyone signed close to $8 million, and don't have anyone signed for more than 3 years.

Forum: Armchair-GM11 août à 8 h 23

Sujet: ideal lines as of rn

I like this, solid. Definite improvement on last season, flip a couple players at the deadline and this team is comfortably bottom 5 despite having some of the young guys develop.

Forum: Armchair-GM29 juill. à 9 h 3

Sujet: Lets continue

Elite name, but Detroit isnt really needign to trade for a forward like Grimaldi.
At $2m you may find takers elsewhere, unlikely but possible.

Forum: Armchair-GM29 juill. à 9 h 1

Sujet: Finishing the leafs offseason

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Leafsleaks123</b></div><div>It's been reported from many sources that Detroit is open to moving him and the leafs have a lot of interest. I think you are overeating Bertuzzi a bit and a first round pick from a leafs team that may not even make the playoffs plus a B prospect with upside isn't a horrible deal at all.</div></div>

Open to moving him does not mean selling him at market value.
I am open to selling my car, but someone would have to offer me more than the value of my car so I would be able to afford a replacement car and still have profit...

Forum: Armchair-GM27 juill. à 12 h 17

Sujet: Necessary Moves

Every single one of these trades is missing the central piece that keeps the other GM on the phone.

Forum: Armchair-GM27 juill. à 7 h 44

Sujet: No Galaxy Brain

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Joronto</b></div><div>Worth more??? Wow!!! One Tier 2, two Tier 3 Prospects AND a first and a second... It would not surprise me, if this is could end up to be the return for an Eichel Trade. And with all my love to Bertuzzi: he is not THAT good.</div></div>

I'm not sure it's necesserily more value per se. Fewer better assets would be better. The 1st is great, and imo necessary, then I would just want 1 great prospect.
Detroit's need is quality not quantity. If you look at the draft just gone every pick was a wild swing for the fences, we have plenty of bottom/middle 6 forwards, plenty of bottom 4 D, we need either 1 star, or ~2 more VERY good players to form a top line and top pair. 1st + Toronto's best forward prospect would be appropriate.

Forum: Armchair-GM26 juill. à 10 h 6

Sujet: After the 2021 Draft

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Billy12Bob</b></div><div>You can get more from both those deals.

Carolina needs to trade Foegele (he's asked for a trade) add him instead of the 2nd round pick or keep the pick and throw in Namestnikov instead of Svech.

TB have very little leverage and their 1st round pick is no better than our 2nd. They have prospects at C that we need, go after them instead (Finley, Goncalves, Ryfors).</div></div>

Potentially, but cap dump trades are a race to the bottom to get rid of the contract for the lowest value. While what you're proposing would be nice im not sure if its quite realistic. Both Gardiner and Johnson would be usable players filling areas of need for the team. A pick in the late 20s and 50s is still a good get.

Forum: Armchair-GM12 juill. à 15 h 3

Sujet: Bertuzzi and more

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Oilers4Days</b></div><div>This may make Red WIngs fans mad... but I think the decent trade concept for Bertuzzi is Robertson+1st rounder.

And even that I think is a little overpay.

But I think this trade concept is decent.</div></div>

As a Detroit fan I wouldn't be mad at Robertson + 1st honestly.
Bertuzzi is a fan favourite and one of the bright spots on a bad team. Im on the side of just not trading him unless the offer blows your socks off. Most Detroit fans I have seen here are treating the offer that blows your socks off as the only acceptable offer.

Forum: Armchair-GM11 juill. à 12 h 43

Sujet: If Red Wings fans want Sandin

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MrDinkiee</b></div><div>Delusional Red Wings fans love to overvalue their players. I'm showing what it looks like on the other side</div></div>

Oh I know, but that's not going to create productive discourse....

Forum: Armchair-GM11 juill. à 12 h 39

Sujet: If Red Wings fans want Sandin

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MrDinkiee</b></div><div>Nope. We aren't trading our future top 2 defensemen for someone who needs back surgery</div></div>

The two statements are seperate though. The leaf's standpoint can be that Sandin is untouchable and that's fine.
It just also needs to be acknowledged that if Detroit trades Bertuzzi to a division rival it won't be for the spare parts that are often proposed. Remember Dubas paid a first and a fourth for a Nick Foligno rental...

Forum: Armchair-GM11 juill. à 9 h 27

Sujet: Landeskog

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MisstheWhalers</b></div><div>Probably some angry Wings fans coming here soon, to me that looks like a good trade for Detroit.</div></div>

You're probably not wrong. The first is pretty late in the round too.
I don't hate it as a wings fan Nino is just 1 year, and Gardiner is 2, but is at least at a position of need, though I don't think he fits the system too well.

I would hope for more, but wouldn't be mad.

Forum: Armchair-GM10 juill. à 14 h 44

Sujet: Sabres

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Billy12Bob</b></div><div>Detroit declines, Bert not on the block.</div></div>

Much as we love him thats just not the case.
If I remember correct Yzerman himself has explicitly said that anyone not named Seider, Raymond and (I think) Zadina is available.
The Minnesotta pick is 22nd, so I don't think it does the job 1 for 1, but it starts the conversation.

Forum: Armchair-GM10 juill. à 5 h 0

Sujet: Bertuzzi

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Stanley_Cup_To_Manhattan</b></div><div>I was thinking something along those lines but it feels slightly too steep. I wonder if DET has the appetite to throw in a sweetener like Rasmussen or Lindstrom.</div></div>

Lindstrom as a sweetener, sure. Rasmussen, not likely. He's maturing into a very useful player.

Forum: Armchair-GM10 juill. à 4 h 58

Sujet: Leafs Need Two Top Six Wingers

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AyyPavy</b></div><div>But thats just u thinking that he wont pan out. Unfortunately u have to take that risk, or else no-one in junior has value.</div></div>

No, Detroit does not have to make that risk, at all. A Bertuzzi trade is only in Detroit's interest if the value is good, if it's not they keep him and play him.

Forum: Armchair-GM9 juill. à 19 h 18

Sujet: Other Fanbases Whats the Cost

Bertuzzi, comparable to the Mantha trade in value, maybe a smidge less.
1st and either useful roster player of suitable age in need of a change of scenery or Solid A-/B+ Prospect.

In my opinion, some will want more, I get it.
Assuming mid first 15-20 range.

Forum: Armchair-GM9 juill. à 15 h 58

Sujet: Leafs Need Two Top Six Wingers

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>phillyjabroni</b></div><div>Yo Seider53, I've been following your posts on here for some time and wanted to see if you were interested in joining the GM Game here on CapFriendly. It's been around since 2017 and it's basically a multiple, full-year round Arm-Chair GM with other users on this site. You'd be in charge of drafting, trading, free agency, etc. all along with some sophisticated scoring and playoff structure. I'd think you'd be a great addition to the game. If you want to know more or have any questions, just reply to this post and I'll be happy to answer them.</div></div>

Probably a thank you but no thank you.
I'm pretty casual and usually just come and go on a bit of a whim, it's interesting to argue prospects for 20 minutes of a bored evening, but that sounds like it has a much higher commitment threshold, sorry man.

Forum: Armchair-GM9 juill. à 13 h 22

Sujet: Bert

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVGg3atDdU8

Forum: Armchair-GM9 juill. à 13 h 22

Sujet: Leafs Need Two Top Six Wingers

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AyyPavy</b></div><div>How is using the 9 game odd. U saying that a prospect doesnt have good value because they are unproven is odd. Guess Every team should turn down a Owen Power trade for a 7th because hes unproven.</div></div>

Commenting on the 9 games shows you are setting a narrative where you are intentionally undervaluing Bertuzzi based on a factor out of his control, that should not have an impact on his play in Toronto.
If you have a look back at OHL top scorers you can see that some prospects can nail it in the O and not make it in the NHL, i.e. their metrics in junior do not guarentee success at a higher level.
Top OHL scorers before Robertson: Justin Brazeau, Dmitri Solokov, Alex DeBrincat, Christian Dvorak, Joseph Blandisi, Dane Fox, Reid Boucher, Tyler Toffolix2, Bryan Cameron, John Tavares, Brett Mclean, John Tavares.

You can see in there that there are some great names, some good names, some players who had some time in the NHL, and some who failed to make an impact.
We won't know which of those Robertson will be until he actually plays, which he has not done. He looks good out there, he looks like he should have a regular NHL shift one day, I couldnt with any confidence say he's going to be more than a middle 6 winger. Is the gap between an established middle 6 winger who can be an excellent complimentary piece on the top line and a potential middle 6 winger who could still just not pan out really only a 2nd?

Forum: Armchair-GM9 juill. à 12 h 54

Sujet: Leafs Need Two Top Six Wingers

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AyyPavy</b></div><div>The guy who had the most goals in the OHL for a 55 point guy who played 9 games last season. makes sense.</div></div>

Yup, prospects hold less value because they are an uncertainty, we have not yet seen how Robertson's game translates, and if it does whether he can drive a line or not. Bertuzzi is a known quantity.
Using the 9 game argument is a bit odd, he was injured and missed time with surgery, it's not as if he missed the games by being a healthy scratch. Take a player like Kucherov, he missed the whole season but that doesnt affect his value because we know what he is and what he can do.

Forum: Armchair-GM9 juill. à 12 h 49

Sujet: Its a friday

If Reilly hasn't committed to a contract with Detroit his value is not large, in essence theyre getting a rental asset to flip at the deadline in him.
Kerfoot is meh, he'd be a stopgap 2C in Detroit, which is useful, but when you're objective is Shane Wright, or Connor Bedard and surrounding them with talent, a meh temporary 2C and a guy to flip at the deadline aren't worth much.
Trade Reilly to a contender for value, and if you want Bertuzzi trade value to Detroit for him.

Forum: Armchair-GM9 juill. à 12 h 47

Sujet: Lets get Bertuzzi

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>FredrickGoat</b></div><div>Were not trading or entire prospect pool for a slight upgrade over Hyman who e we then have to pay 6 million a year. I’d rather sign Hyman 5.5x3</div></div>

Oh for sure, and I don't think you have to, there seems to be an odd obsession with trading for Bertuzzi, you already have a very similar player, just resign them and keep the assets for a more valuable move.

Forum: Armchair-GM9 juill. à 12 h 46

Sujet: If Dubas has a Brain

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aedoran</b></div><div>A brain and maybe a gun. Yzerman wouldn't make that trade unless he was forced to. NO ONE IS GIVING UP ANYTHING FOR 1 YR RIELLY.

I know a lot of Toronto fans know how free agency works but I keep seeing one of these a day. So for the Toronto fans that don't understand how free agency works and keep posting stuff like this should click on the link below for help.

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* No rebuilding team. It doesnt make sense for a team like Detroit to take on a UFA because he would walk, a team that could trade for and resign him absolutely would give up an asset for Reilly, he's bloody good at hockey.

Forum: Armchair-GM9 juill. à 12 h 44

Sujet: Leafs Need Two Top Six Wingers

I think if trading a 1st is out of the question then the trade doesn't get done. If Yzerman trades Bertuzzi id be surprised if it didnt include a 1st or a piece of similar value.
Robertson and a late 2nd is a reasonable package, Detroit's need is quality of talent not quantity of talent so they would probably persue an offer where they are recieving a higher pick unless someone is willing to trade a prospect so good they shouldnt be traded á la Forsberg for Erat (which the leafs of course should not do)

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