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2 sept. 2021 à 18 h 49
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If we do trade Hertl mid season we’re heading to the lottery for first 😵‍💫🥲


Does Hertl not realize how weak the pacific is. If anything San Jose could make the playoffs this year.

Also moving him signals rebuild and that could cause issues for a team whose players dont want to go through a rebuild

Still though could see a trade involving Washington (Kuznetsov for Hertl or something)
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2 sept. 2021 à 19 h 7
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If we do trade Hertl mid season we’re heading to the lottery for first 😵‍💫🥲


hopefully if we don't match kk offersheet, we get Hertl
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2 sept. 2021 à 19 h 8
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Does Hertl not realize how weak the pacific is. If anything San Jose could make the playoffs this year.

Also moving him signals rebuild and that could cause issues for a team whose players dont want to go through a rebuild and say they arent rebuilding.


Hertl moving happens if we suck again, which guys like Vlasic even acknowledged that things will blow up. It’d be 3 years of failure. Cant keep neglecting a reset. A real reset.

Moving Hertl if he won’t extend and wants a cup is necessary, similar to how Lowry should have been traded from the Raptors (it’s just a great example if you understand both teams, not the same situations but a good example I think).

Maybe he even decides to come back in UFA hahaha.

But really you move Hertl and maybe see who bites on Burns if he plays well again because I think someone would. Adding if Kane’s gone the Sharks can go after a big fish UFA.

Malkin 1 year maybe?
Pavelski maybe?
Throw the Hasso Plattners bank account Barkov if he somehow hits UFA. Jk.

But sign a larger name in UFA. Draft super high with likely a franchise caliber player assuming the lottery gets us 1-5. Looking like there will be atleast 3-4 elite level players.

Use Hertls assets wisely likely being 1-2 quality prospects/ picks plus other assets.

Eklund (Elite/ top6 potential), Bordeleau (same as Eklund), Wiesblatt (top6/ middle 6 complementary player), Merkley (star/ elite potential) all project to make the SJS in 2022/23 with guys like Gushchin, Robins (two potentially high end players) being dark horses on the Sharks after 2021.

If Kane’s terminated/ resolved, Hertl is sold, and one other guys moves on which again is most likely Burns; the Sharks really could have a strong youth team by 2023/24.

This is all hypothetical and best case tho lmfao. But Eklund and Bordeleau & company (Wiesblatt, Merkley, Kniazev, Gushchin etc etc) have really changed the minds in SJ I think.
I think (hopefully) they realize that the pure youth talent SJS possesses and could possess from the 2022 Draft is gigantic.
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2 sept. 2021 à 19 h 9
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WWWWWW


Yep, congrats to him, we all need CF
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2 sept. 2021 à 19 h 55
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Personally I’d take Ferraro over all 3 of them. Not even entirely bias just considering age and contract + attitude and than adding play, current development, trajectory and potential. Followed closely by Brodie - who I think is under appreciated.


I don't really think that it can be argued that Ferraro is better than either of Rielly and Brodie. In 3-5 years he probably will be but right now he's definitely a step behind.
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2 sept. 2021 à 20 h 22
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Who Wins

@AndrewLadd ‘s Captain Gourde vs The Identity of His Team
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2 sept. 2021 à 20 h 29
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Quoting: Saskleaf
I don't really think that it can be argued that Ferraro is better than either of Rielly and Brodie. In 3-5 years he probably will be but right now he's definitely a step behind.


Don’t disagree, as to why I said I had to take multiple other things into consideration. I project him to take that step this season, atleast get a lot closer.

But as I said I love Brodie, he’s very good and Rielly is good but needs to prove his worth this year (but he did have a good 2021) (and if he does go back to that 2018 form than I DONT know if he’s staying in Toronto, some lunatic may offer him 9.5😬😬).
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2 sept. 2021 à 20 h 31
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Quoting: aadoyle
Does Hertl not realize how weak the pacific is. If anything San Jose could make the playoffs this year.

Also moving him signals rebuild and that could cause issues for a team whose players dont want to go through a rebuild

Still though could see a trade involving Washington (Kuznetsov for Hertl or something)


San Jose will not make the playoffs this season and it’s the best thing for them. It doesn’t matter what the players think. Need to get high draft picks and let their bad contracts run out.

I would trade Hertl for a 1st + top prospect
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2 sept. 2021 à 20 h 34
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Who Wins

AndrewLadd ‘s Captain Gourde vs The Identity of His Team
(The post has nothing actually to do with AndrewLadd lol)


Listen I love Casey but u can’t beat Team Canada legend Yanni Gourde
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2 sept. 2021 à 20 h 35
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Hertl moving happens if we suck again, which guys like Vlasic even acknowledged that things will blow up. It’d be 3 years of failure. Cant keep neglecting a reset. A real reset.

Moving Hertl if he won’t extend and wants a cup is necessary, similar to how Lowry should have been traded from the Raptors (it’s just a great example if you understand both teams, not the same situations but a good example I think).

Maybe he even decides to come back in UFA hahaha.

But really you move Hertl and maybe see who bites on Burns if he plays well again because I think someone would. Adding if Kane’s gone the Sharks can go after a big fish UFA.

Malkin 1 year maybe?
Pavelski maybe?
Throw the Hasso Plattners bank account Barkov if he somehow hits UFA. Jk.

But sign a larger name in UFA. Draft super high with likely a franchise caliber player assuming the lottery gets us 1-5. Looking like there will be atleast 3-4 elite level players.

Use Hertls assets wisely likely being 1-2 quality prospects/ picks plus other assets.

Eklund (Elite/ top6 potential), Bordeleau (same as Eklund), Wiesblatt (top6/ middle 6 complementary player), Merkley (star/ elite potential) all project to make the SJS in 2022/23 with guys like Gushchin, Robins (two potentially high end players) being dark horses on the Sharks after 2021.

If Kane’s terminated/ resolved, Hertl is sold, and one other guys moves on which again is most likely Burns; the Sharks really could have a strong youth team by 2023/24.

This is all hypothetical and best case tho lmfao. But Eklund and Bordeleau & company (Wiesblatt, Merkley, Kniazev, Gushchin etc etc) have really changed the minds in SJ I think.
I think (hopefully) they realize that the pure youth talent SJS possesses and could possess from the 2022 Draft is gigantic.



I think it’s possible SJS could get Lambert and then one of Mitchkov/Bedard
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2 sept. 2021 à 20 h 35
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Quoting: AndrewLadd
Listen I love Casey but u can’t beat Team Canada legend Yanni Gourde


Some call Gourde "The Great One"
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2 sept. 2021 à 20 h 37
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I think it’s possible SJS could get Lambert and then one of Mitchkov/Bedard


I dont know if we'll draft that high in 2023 yet. I know the Sharks suck but they could be looking at like 4th-16th right now for 2023 imo.
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2 sept. 2021 à 20 h 40
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I dont know if we'll draft that high in 2023 yet. I know the Sharks suck but they could be looking at like 4th-16th right now for 2023 imo.


It only happens if Meier/Hertl/Labanc are all traded for futures in the next year, which I think should happen. Within 2-3 years they can be in the same position as the LAK with a top 3 prospect pool
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2 sept. 2021 à 21 h 6
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Quoting: Devil1122




WWWWWW


So have we lost Banks or Jarvis, or someone else? Anyways, congratulations!
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2 sept. 2021 à 21 h 17
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If we do trade Hertl mid season we’re heading to the lottery for first 😵‍💫🥲


I’m really debating on if we should get Hertl. It’ll be impossible to resign him, but if we get him we could be cup favourites. The cost would be high so we would really need to win the cup because we’d lose the equivalent of 2 firsts for a cup run, but Pavs and Hertl would be 🔥.
2 sept. 2021 à 21 h 23
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Quoting: Kotkaniemi15
So have we lost Banks or Jarvis, or someone else? Anyways, congratulations!


Could be @Banks

Although it's probably not a moderator.

Congratulation to him though!
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2 sept. 2021 à 21 h 24
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So have we lost Banks or Jarvis, or someone else? Anyways, congratulations!


I think someone else but idk
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2 sept. 2021 à 21 h 31
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When is the last time a Stanley Cup finalist entered next season with half their roster gone?
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2 sept. 2021 à 21 h 42
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Modifié 2 sept. 2021 à 21 h 58
Quoting: SevenLeg
When is the last time a Stanley Cup finalist entered next season with half their roster gone?


I think 2010 Chicago did as they lost a good chunk of guys due to cap issues
2 sept. 2021 à 21 h 44
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When is the last time a Stanley Cup finalist entered next season with half their roster gone?


Well technically Dallas, half of our roster was injured.
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2 sept. 2021 à 21 h 46
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Well technically Dallas, half of our roster was injured.


The injured players were still in the organization though.

The Stars only lost:
Mattias Janmark
Stephen Johns
Corey Perry
Roman Polak
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2 sept. 2021 à 21 h 49
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The injured players were still in the organization though.

The Stars only lost:
Mattias Janmark
Stephen Johns
Corey Perry
Roman Polak


That’s why I said technically. Players injured were:

Benn
Segs
Rads
Hintz
Kiviranta
Faksa
Bishop
Ect…

There was only 3 players who played the whole season and they were Pavs, Lindell and Oleksiak.
2 sept. 2021 à 22 h 7
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When is the last time a Stanley Cup finalist entered next season with half their roster gone?


Are you referring to the habs? Because we’ve lost 4 players from our final lineup last year, and only 6 that played in round 2 and onwards, 7 if you include Tatar. Sure Weber and Danault are important players, but this is hardly half the team.

I mean between Game 5 against Tampa Bay and opening night this year, we’ll likely only have 5 different players:
Removed: Perry, Weber, Byron, Danault, Staal
Added: Drouin, Savard, Hoffman, Kotkaniemi, Poehling/Perreault/Paquette
2 sept. 2021 à 22 h 21
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Quoting: Kotkaniemi15
Are you referring to the habs? Because we’ve lost 4 players from our final lineup last year, and only 6 that played in round 2 and onwards, 7 if you include Tatar. Sure Weber and Danault are important players, but this is hardly half the team.

I mean between Game 5 against Tampa Bay and opening night this year, we’ll likely only have 5 different players:
Removed: Perry, Weber, Byron, Danault, Staal
Added: Drouin, Savard, Hoffman, Kotkaniemi, Poehling/Perreault/Paquette


Weber, Danault and Tatar were all huge pieces, so was Perry to a lesser extent. You can't really count Danault and Evans, Lehkonen or Kulak as equals. And if you include Poehling/Paquette as additions, Gustafsson and Merrill should count as substractions, along with possibly Kotkaniemi.
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2 sept. 2021 à 22 h 22
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Fantastic news
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