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Créé par: sensonfire

Équipe: 2021-22 Sénateurs d'Ottawa

Date de création initiale: 13 avr. 2021

Publié: 13 avr. 2021

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

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Where do you have Luke Hughes ranked in your 2021 Mock Draft?

IMO, he should be ranked 1st overall.

You're getting a virtually guaranteed NHL player in a draft that is a complete crapshoot.

This pandemic has ruined the ability to scout high-quality prospects because you can't go and see these players play.

Many hockey games in leagues around the world have been cancelled and postponed, which really limits the sample size that can be used to judge these prospects and rank them accordingly.

One thing that Luke Hughes has, which none of the other prospects do have, is a family that is known for turning their sons into bona fide elite players in the NHL.

Jack Hughes and Quinn Hughes.

I'm pretty sure the Hughes family will do everything they can to make it happen for Luke as well.

What I find interesting about Luke Hughes is that there are quite a few similarities to his brother Quinn.

- Defenceman
- Shoots Left
- Fast and Fluid skater
- Can play offence or defence
- Eerily similar stats between Luke's current tenure with USNTDP and Quinn's tenure with USNTDP between 2015 - 2017.
- Quinn went to the University of Michigan before playing in the NHL and that's exactly what Luke plans to do as well.

I see a lot of Quinn Hughes in Luke Hughes.

I love for there to be a brotherly rivalry between the Canucks and the Sens over Quinn and Luke, just like between the Flames and the Sens over Brady and Matthew.

Like I said, there is so much uncertainty and this draft is a crapshoot.

I remember from the 2018 draft when people were screaming for us to pick Filip Zadina but we picked Brady Tkachuk instead and we took a lot of unfair criticism for it.

Picking Brady Tkachuk worked out beautifully for us :)

If you are choosing between another Quinn Hughes and every other draft eligible prospect that might turn into a bust, then the choice is obvious :D

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

LISTE DE RÉSERVE		ANS	CAP HIT
Søgaard, Mads		3	894 167 $
Sanderson, Jake		3	925 000 $

RFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Tkachuk, Brady	8	8 000 000 $
Batherson, Drake	2	4 800 000 $
Gustavsson, Filip	3	750 000 $
Mete, Victor	1	750 000 $
Zub, Artem	3	3 150 000 $

UFA		ANS	CAP HIT
Dzingel, Ryan		1	3 500 000 $

CRÉÉ		ANS	CAP HIT
Hughes, Luke		3	925 000 $

Transactions

OTT

Choix de 3e ronde en 2022 (MTL)
Choix de 5e ronde en 2022 (MTL)

MTL

Tierney, Chris (1 750 000 $ retained)

Détails additionnels:

Traded to any team that would pay a low 2nd or a combination of draft picks that is equal to a low second.

OTT

Choix de 3e ronde en 2022 (TBL)
Choix de 5e ronde en 2023 (CBJ)

CBJ

Brown, Logan [Droits de RFA]

Détails additionnels:

Traded away to any team that would pay the equivalent of a low 2nd, similar to the Lias Andersson trade.

OTT

Choix de 4e ronde en 2022 (FLA)

FLA

Brown, Joshua

Détails additionnels:

Hopefully, we trade him for a low pick, maybe for a 4th round pick, which we spent on him.

If he has no trade value, put him on waivers.

If he clears waivers, buy him out.

OTT

Hughes, Quinn [Droits de RFA]

Détails additionnels:

Another brotherly rivalry I'm hoping to see, just like between Brady and Matthew Tkachuk.

VAN

Choix de 1e ronde en 2021 (OTT)

Détails additionnels:

A pick that must be used to draft Luke Hughes, even if it's 1st overall.

OTT

Tkachuk, Matthew

Détails additionnels:

CGY

Tkachuk, Brady

Détails additionnels:

Rachats de contrats

Bobby Ryan: 3 583 333 $
Dion Phaneuf: 354 167 $

Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire

Chris Tierney: 1 750 000 $ (50%)

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
2021
2022
2023

FORMATION

VUE À LONG TERME

INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
21	81 500 000 $	62 129 250 $	0 $	4 932 500 $	19 370 750 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Tkachuk, Matthew 7 000 000 $7 000 000 $ AD UFA - 1	Stützle, Tim 925 000 $925 000 $ (2 500 000 $$2M) C UFA - 2	Batherson, Drake 4 800 000 $4 800 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 6
Brown, Connor 3 600 000 $3 600 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 2	Norris, Joshua 925 000 $925 000 $ (850 000 $$850K) C UFA - 1	Dadonov, Evgeni 2 500 000 $2 500 000 $ AD, AG M-NTC UFA - 2
Formenton, Alex 747 500 $747 500 $ (107 500 $$108K) AG RFA - 1	Pinto, Shane 925 000 $925 000 $ (600 000 $$600K) C RFA - 2	Paul, Nicholas 749 250 $749 250 $ C, AG UFA - 1
Dzingel, Ryan 3 500 000 $3 500 000 $ AG, AD, C UFA - 1	White, Colin 4 750 000 $4 750 000 $ C, AD UFA - 4
		Watson, Austin 1 500 000 $1 500 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 2

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Chabot, Thomas 8 000 000 $8 000 000 $ DG UFA - 7	Zaitsev, Nikita 4 500 000 $4 500 000 $ DD M-NTC UFA - 3	Murray, Matt 4 687 500 $4 687 500 $ G M-NTC UFA - 3
Brännström, Erik 863 333 $863 333 $ (450 000 $$450K) DG/DD, AG RFA - 1	Zub, Artem 3 150 000 $3 150 000 $ DD UFA - 2
Mete, Victor 750 000 $750 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 1	Bernard-Docker, Jacob 925 000 $925 000 $ (425 000 $$425K) DD RFA - 2	Søgaard, Mads 894 167 $894 167 $ G RFA - 3
		Gustavsson, Filip 750 000 $750 000 $ G UFA - 2

13 avr. 2021 à 17 h 46

Eli

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I'm sure he'll get picked and make the NHL soon. As for whether having two successful brothers gets him picked first overall, just look at whether Marc Staal still has the same trade value as Eric Staal.

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13 avr. 2021 à 17 h 48

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Quoting: Eli

I guess the main point I was trying to make is that by picking Luke Hughes, you're getting certainty in a draft that is a complete crapshoot.

13 avr. 2021 à 17 h 48

CptMuffin

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That Quinn Hughes trade is miles off.

13 avr. 2021 à 17 h 49

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Quoting: CptMuffin

That Quinn Hughes trade is miles off.

That's not the point.

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13 avr. 2021 à 17 h 52

Vermathex

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brady is much better than matt

13 avr. 2021 à 17 h 53

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Quoting: Vermathex

brady is much better than matt

That's great but that's not the point of my post.

13 avr. 2021 à 17 h 54

Claesson4Norris

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I'd probably have him 5-8. To me there's a pretty solid top 4, with some combination of Power, Beniers, Guenther and Ckarke. It widens from there, but I'd have Hughes at the top of the next tier of guys like Johnson, Hughes and Edvinsson.

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13 avr. 2021 à 17 h 58

Ledge_And_Dairy

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Ok well this is a very common misconception with the 2021 draft. What makes it a "crapshoot" is the lack of scouting that could be done this year for the later rounds, not the top end prospects. And what makes it a "weak draft" is the lack of superstar projected talent at the top. There is still a solid group of young players that will all very likely be NHLers in the top half of the 1st round. To elaborate, Matt Beniers (who I rank the clear #1) is still a better prospect than most of last years top 10, If he was eligible last year I would expect he goes somewhere around 4th to 6th, maybe even before Stutzle at 3rd.

Hughes will very likely be drafted in the top 5 but I don't see him going 1st OA

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13 avr. 2021 à 17 h 58

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Quoting: Claesson4Norris

In your opinion, what are the odds that either Power, Beniers, Guenther or Clarke become busts?

In my opinion, if you can't decide who is the best player available (BPA), you should pick the safest player available (SPA).

I appreciate your thoughts though

13 avr. 2021 à 18 h 0

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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy

I appreciate your thoughts

13 avr. 2021 à 18 h 2

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Quoting: Claesson4Norris

Clarke IMO has taken a bit of a fall, I would definitely take Hughes over him. Beniers and Power to me are the clear #1 and #2. After that you have a group of Lysell, Eklund Guenther, and Hughes. Followed by a group of Clarke, Johnson, Edvinsson, and Wallstedt

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13 avr. 2021 à 18 h 3

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I have him 3rd he's not gonna be like Quinn

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13 avr. 2021 à 18 h 3

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The narrative that this draft is a crapshoot is incredibly overblown. The majority of draft eligible/caliber players (certainly the higher end ones) have been playing in some capacity and NHL teams have the means to view them. Hughes being ranked #1 is a reasonable opinion, I certainly think he belongs in that conversation, but the main reasoning for that in the description, I think is absurd.

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13 avr. 2021 à 18 h 23

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Edvinsson has higher upside. Power has high ceiling, but for a 6’6” kid, he has to start playing like he is 6’6”. Clarke is kind of a mess, and probably long way from top-5. Hughes is pretty safe bet to be top pair guy.

For forwards, Eklund, Beniers, Guenther all appear to be top tier...and only forward candidates I see for #1 overall. Beniers gets the nod since he is only center in top-10.

1. Beniers
2. Edvinssson
3. Hughes
4. Lucius
5. Power
6. Eklund
7. Guenther
8. Wallstedt
9. Coronato
10. Sillinger

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13 avr. 2021 à 18 h 24

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Quoting: sensonfire

Safe picks bust too.when it comes to drafting in the 1st round, especially at the top of the draft, you pick the piece you think is best and you have faith in your ability to develop him to the player he needs to be. Outside of getting a McDavid/Eichel/Matthews, nothing is a sure thing. You have to accept that there's going to be some level of risk, and that that level of risk is worth the ultimate goal of drafting an impact talent. Nothing ventured nothing gained as they say.

As far as this actual case I don't necessarily think any one player at the top of draft considerations is more likely to be a "bust" than any other (with the exception of Raty, who has really fallen off a cliff this year). As far as Luke Hughes is concerned, I see why you would consider him as a "safe pick" but I don't think he's that much more likely than anyone else to reach his full potential. If you're advocating for him because of downside, not upside, I think you're going to miss out on too much talent.

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13 avr. 2021 à 18 h 54

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Quoting: sensonfire

Power is a very safe bet, worst case you are looking at a Tyler Myers with him

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13 avr. 2021 à 18 h 58

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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy

Clarke is definitely a little raw, but his upside is one of the highest in the draft imo.

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13 avr. 2021 à 19 h 30

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I have Beniers #1 after that I am currently leaning towards Hughes #2.

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13 avr. 2021 à 19 h 41

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Quoting: Claesson4Norris

Clarke is definitely a little raw, but his upside is one of the highest in the draft imo.

The skill set is raw. It’s the undisciplined approach that has hurt him. He is one where his time in Europe may have hurt him. He needs OHL restart.

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13 avr. 2021 à 20 h 18

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Luke Hughes was in my top three but I heard he had a pretty bad foot injury - right now Beniers, Edvinssson, Raty - but to put this draft in prospective Beniers has been described as almost as good as Lundell who was a 12th pick last year.

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14 avr. 2021 à 1 h 17

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I think the biggest bust potential is Kent Johnson. Something about his game just makes me believe he won’t be the impact player people think he would be. Biggest sleeper to me is Sillinger. Best player is probably Beniers but honorable mention to Guenther.

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