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Créé par: Mediumyeet

Équipe: 2020-21 Sabres de Buffalo

Date de création initiale: 28 févr. 2021

Publié: 28 févr. 2021

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

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This trade would be after the season but before the expansion draft.

For Minnesota, ya you give up some really top end prospects but you’re getting Jack Eichel in return. I don’t think the value of having Eichel has to be explained.

Minnesota is going to have to pay Seattle to keep Dumba or let him go there for free.

Buffalo gets some top prospects and can flip Dumba for more picks/prospects or keep him and trade someone like ristolainen.

Buffalo could end up with something like:
Rossi
Boldy
1st rounder
1st rounder (dumba)
Mid tier prospect (dumba)

Edit: Buffalo would end up with a new core to build around of. Cozens, Dahlin, Jack Quinn, Rossi, Boldy, Mittelstadt (maybe), + whatever you get for dumba/ristolainen. And the additional 1st rounder from this trade.

If they trade Eichel I think this is the way to go, whether it’s this trade or something similar. But getting some high end prospects out of the deal and setting them up with a new core of young guns to build around. Trading eichel for current roster players doesn’t do much for the sabres in terms of creating a long term plan for a competitive team.

Transactions

BUF

Boldy, Matthew [Liste de réserve]
Dumba, Matt
Rossi, Marco
Choix de 1e ronde en 2021 (PIT)

MIN

Eichel, Jack

Rachats de contrats

Cody Hodgson: 791 667 $
Christian Ehrhoff: 0 $

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
2021
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FORMATION

VUE À LONG TERME

INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
24	81 500 000 $	72 025 791 $	1 487 500 $	4 337 500 $	9 474 209 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Skinner, Jeff 9 000 000 $9 000 000 $ AG, AD NMC UFA - 7	Rossi, Marco 925 000 $925 000 $ C RFA - 5	Okposo, Kyle 6 000 000 $6 000 000 $ AD M-NTC UFA - 3
Hall, Taylor 4 000 000 $4 000 000 $ AG NMC UFA - 1	Cozens, Dylan 894 167 $894 167 $ (850 000 $$850K) C, AG UFA - 3	Reinhart, Sam 5 200 000 $5 200 000 $ AD UFA - 1
Olofsson, Victor 3 050 000 $3 050 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 2	Staal, Eric 1 625 000 $1 625 000 $ C M-NTC UFA - 1	Rieder, Tobias 700 000 $700 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 1
Sheahan, Riley 700 000 $700 000 $ AG, C UFA - 1	Eakin, Cody 2 250 000 $2 250 000 $ C UFA - 2
	Thompson, Tage 1 400 000 $1 400 000 $ C UFA - 3
	Mittelstadt, Casey 874 125 $874 125 $ AG, C RFA - 1
	Lazar, Curtis 800 000 $800 000 $ AD, C UFA - 2

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Montour, Brandon 3 850 000 $3 850 000 $ DD UFA - 1	Ristolainen, Rasmus 5 400 000 $5 400 000 $ DD UFA - 2	Hutton, Carter 2 750 000 $2 750 000 $ G UFA - 1
Dahlin, Rasmus 925 000 $925 000 $ (2 850 000 $$3M) DG/DD UFA - 1	Miller, Colin 3 875 000 $3 875 000 $ DD UFA - 2	Johansson, Jonas 700 000 $700 000 $ G UFA - 1
Bryson, Jacob 889 166 $889 166 $ DG/DD RFA - 2	Jokiharju, Henri 925 000 $925 000 $ (637 500 $$638K) DD RFA - 1
Dumba, Matt 6 000 000 $6 000 000 $ DD UFA - 3	Irwin, Matt 700 000 $700 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 1

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
	McCabe, Jake 2 850 000 $2 850 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 1	Girgensons, Zemgus 2 200 000 $2 200 000 $ AG, C UFA - 3
	Ullmark, Linus 2 600 000 $2 600 000 $ G UFA - 1
	Borgen, William 864 166 $864 166 $ DD UFA - 1

Équipe de réserve
Fitzgerald, Casey 858 750 $858 750 $ (0 $$00 $$0) DD UFA - 1
Asplund, Rasmus 845 000 $845 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0) AG, C RFA - 1
Tokarski, Dustin 725 000 $725 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0) G UFA - 2
Davidson, Brandon 700 000 $700 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0) DG UFA - 1

28 févr. 2021 à 14 h 4

hockeyconnor97

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Not a bad idea reuniting rossi and quinn, and Minnesota finally gets an elite center to play with Kaprizov or Fiala

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28 févr. 2021 à 14 h 5

sabresspoonz3737

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nah, i dont like this as a sabres fan. Rossi and the 1st is good, but there has to be impact players going back also. Not sure who u would trade. I would obviously like Kaprizov but i think that's unrealistic. So i guess add Fiala and more

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28 févr. 2021 à 14 h 6

TanSor

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"Minnesota is going to have to pay Seattle to keep Dumba or let him go there for free."

I doubt it, we will just protect 8 skaters in expansion.

I'm guessing Buffalo will want Fiala + picks/prospects

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28 févr. 2021 à 14 h 8

OrganizedConfusion5

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no.

28 févr. 2021 à 14 h 11

Mediumyeet

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Quoting: TanSor

If they protect 8 then they are exposing Eriksson Ek or Greenway in the expansion.

28 févr. 2021 à 14 h 14

Mediumyeet

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Quoting: sabresspoonz3737

My thought on this is Buffalo decides to rebuild around cozens, dahlin, Rossi, boldy. Then you get a 1st as well and flip dumba for another 1st or prospect or both.

28 févr. 2021 à 14 h 15

sabresspoonz3737

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Quoting: Mediumyeet

My thought on this is Buffalo decides to rebuild around cozens, dahlin, Rossi, boldy. Then you get a 1st as well and flip dumba for another 1st or prospect or both.

switch boldy for fiala. or add fiala and buf can give montour/miller

28 févr. 2021 à 14 h 16

TanSor

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Quoting: Mediumyeet

If they protect 8 then they are exposing Eriksson Ek or Greenway in the expansion.

Why would we lose Ek...? Kaprizov is exempt.

Parise (NMC)
Zuccarello (NMC)
Fiala
Eriksson Ek
Suter (NMC)
Spurgeon (NMC)
Brodin (NMC)
Dumba

I'm fine losing Greenway if it means we keep Ek and Dumba.

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28 févr. 2021 à 14 h 17

Mediumyeet

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Quoting: sabresspoonz3737

switch boldy for fiala. or add fiala and buf can give montour/miller

The thing with that Buf adding a dman is then there is no point in trading Dumba in this because the additional Dman will be exposed to Seattle for nothing.

28 févr. 2021 à 14 h 18

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sabresspoonz3737

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Quoting: Mediumyeet

The thing with that Buf adding a dman is then there is no point in trading Dumba in this because the additional Dman will be exposed to Seattle for nothing.

buf give thompson

28 févr. 2021 à 14 h 19

#11

Mediumyeet

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Quoting: TanSor

Why would we lose Ek...? Kaprizov is exempt.

Parise (NMC)
Zuccarello (NMC)
Fiala
Eriksson Ek
Suter (NMC)
Spurgeon (NMC)
Brodin (NMC)
Dumba

I'm fine losing Greenway if it means we keep Ek and Dumba.

That’s why I said greenway or Ek. I personally wouldn’t want to lose greenway. Guys with his size and skill already producing at his age are extremely rare.

28 févr. 2021 à 14 h 19

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Quoting: sabresspoonz3737

switch boldy for fiala. or add fiala and buf can give montour/miller

I wouldn't touch that. I'd love Eichel, but Fiala, Rossi, Dumba, and a 1st is an insane price to pay.

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28 févr. 2021 à 14 h 24

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Quoting: Mediumyeet

That’s why I said greenway or Ek. I personally wouldn’t want to lose greenway. Guys with his size and skill already producing at his age are extremely rare.

Sure, but I'd rather have Dumba and Ek. We have a ton of talented wingers in our system. Look, I don't want to lose any of them but we (and many other teams) got burned last expansion by making deals to protect players we thought were big parts of our future. I say bite the bullet, accept you're going to lose a good player, and move on instead of giving up multiple picks/prospects/players that could turn into really good pieces for Seattle.

28 févr. 2021 à 14 h 24

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Quoting: TanSor

I wouldn't touch that. I'd love Eichel, but Fiala, Rossi, Dumba, and a 1st is an insane price to pay.

Agreed. Boldy, Rossi, higher of the firsts this year, dumba (with a third team in their to take dumba for another first +) would be a solid return. Maybe add a mid tier roster player or something, but it’s not far off.

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28 févr. 2021 à 14 h 27

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Quoting: TanSor

I wouldn't touch that. I'd love Eichel, but Fiala, Rossi, Dumba, and a 1st is an insane price to pay.

I agree. Eichel is obviously worth a lot but he’s not mcdavid. If fiala and dumba were in the deal then Rossi would have to be removed from it and I think as a long term play for Buffalo Rossi would be more valuable than Fiala.

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28 févr. 2021 à 14 h 27

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Quoting: Lsendel3

I agree, that seems ballpark to me even if I'm not sure I'd pay that, but I still think Buffalo would require Fiala or Kaprizov as part of the deal. Our organization is really high on Rossi.

28 févr. 2021 à 14 h 29

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Quoting: TanSor

I agree, that seems ballpark to me, but I still think Buffalo would require Fiala or Kaprizov as part of the deal.

Maybe. If they trade Eichel they need to think long term. Those are now guys, and counter productive for the wild to trade them if acquiring Eichel imo

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28 févr. 2021 à 14 h 30

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Quoting: TanSor

That’s my point with this trade though. I agree it’s not worth giving up picks/prospects to protect someone. But if you can use someone like dumba in a deal to make your team better with a stud like eichel and as a result it allows you not to lose any good players then that is a win. You’re getting much better with eichel and you’re not losing anyone of worth in expansion.

28 févr. 2021 à 14 h 32

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Quoting: Lsendel3

Exactly. Even if it isn’t a third team involved right away but Buffalo protects dumba and then moves him after expansion when other teams don’t have to worry about using a protection spot on him. Get another 1st and prospect or something similar to that value for dumba.

28 févr. 2021 à 14 h 34

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Quoting: Lsendel3

Maybe. If they trade Eichel they need to think long term. Those are now guys, and counter productive for the wild to trade them if acquiring Eichel imo

You're right, but I think it depends on how big of a leash Kevyn Adams has. If it's short, he'll want a proven, young, talented player (like Fiala) to keep the Sabres as competitive as you could be after trading Eichel. If he has the green light to go full rebuild then he might be traded for futures. The 2022 draft is loaded with high-end centers so I have to wonder if the latter is true then Adams would be looking for a first in that draft. I think Rossi might be an untouchable piece for us, even in an Eichel trade. We almost traded Boldy to the Panthers to select Askarov but the Preds sniped him, but I imagine he'd be on the table in a hypothetical Eichel deal.

28 févr. 2021 à 14 h 36

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No thx

28 févr. 2021 à 14 h 37

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It would have to be an offseason trade. Dumba being gone is about the only cap that works for MN. Dumba does nothing for BUF though.

$10m in space is hard to come up with for MN. From MN that's MarJo + Bonino/Rask + Bjugstad; those guys and $7.50 with get you a coffee and a donut.

28 févr. 2021 à 14 h 38

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Quoting: Mediumyeet

I think we're in agreement here, my point was that we aren't going to trade Dumba just because of the expansion. He's better than Ek and Greenway. I'm totally fine with moving Dumba in an Eichel package but Buffalo doesn't really need him. I know you said they can flip him but that doesn't happen often.

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28 févr. 2021 à 14 h 38

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Quoting: TanSor

I get that, but if I’m KA and the green light is on, Rossi is a must in an Eichel trade otherwise he won’t be a wild. The conversation would be as simple as that for me.

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28 févr. 2021 à 14 h 38

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Quoting: TanSor

I agree, that seems ballpark to me even if I'm not sure I'd pay that, but I still think Buffalo would require Fiala or Kaprizov as part of the deal. Our organization is really high on Rossi.

The organization can be high on a prospect, but those blinders come off when you're looking at a player the quality of Eichel.

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