17 févr. 2020
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Stadel</b></div><div>Dahlin was bad for like 30, He dominated after the all star game. I think the person was using 3 year totals, not just data from three years ago, could be wrong though.</div></div>
He was, but my point was that it was still disingenuous. If you want to use that long of data points fine. But the most current has to be the most weighted. Other factors outside the control (player) have to be weighed when looking at it as well. He didn’t do that. Just pulled all 3, and the first 1.5 years VO was a PP specialist and bad 5v5. The better (not great, but good 2nd line worthy) hasn’t outweighed that yet, but they’re supposed to count for the same? No, that’s bull**** and not how statistics and stats work. Kid should had back to stats 101.
As for Dahlin, his bad stretch was about 30 games, but not every game was a tire fire. And most were just one or two moments (big deal moments where he’d get embarrassed and walked with a goal against) but other then that fine. He played what everyone thought he’d be for about 40 games this year. Hopefully he keeps it up.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Stadel</b></div><div>actually dahlin's best year was his rookie season, the one thing housley did right lmao.
Olofsson has gotten better year to year, but the data on this years 5v5 numbers is hard to read cause he spent half of it playing hurt and then he was almost exclusively played with asplund, who is literally a top 5 defender amongst fwds. Good enough to hide someones mediocre 5v5 play away from the puck. He'll probably be back on a 1 year deal as a result, hard to know what to make of him.</div></div>
Last year was Dahlin’s best year. He had a bad stretch for 15 games but then was dominant. As for VO, he’s gotten much better 5v5 and using data from 3 years ago under Ralph is disingenuous. I’m not that big of supporter of his, think he’s a borderline 2/3 Winger with an elite skill in his shot, but to call him bad and site data from 3 years ago, during his rookie year, and during Covid, under Ralph, is using data incorrectly to put it nicely.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Dpellz90</b></div><div>Using stats that actually matter instead of no-context counting stats like points, he ranks 619th out of 707 forwards in EV xGF impact since 2019. He's not a good player at 5v5 and there is no data to suggest that.
Looking at the defense, he ranks 667th out of 707 forwards for his defensive impact since 2019, so again, let's not pretend like he's actually even mediocre defensively. He is not a good player at 5v5. Go argue with a wall.
Your eye test means absolutely nothing because it does not agree with the data.</div></div>
Ok isolate for this year. Using 3 year old data while he was a rookie under possibly the worst coach ever in the soccer CEO Ralph Krueger is a bit disingenuous no? Of course it is, but you got a narrative to fulfill. Fancy stats have a place, if it’s all you go off of, good luck with the full picture. So to quote you, go argue with a wall using disingenuous tactics and scream “gotcha”. Because you didn’t.
Next you’re gonna tell me Dahlin sucks because he was terrible 3 years ago, as was the whole team,