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Créé par: JmoneyTalk

Équipe: 2020-21 Oilers d'Edmonton

Date de création initiale: 8 févr. 2021

Publié: 8 févr. 2021

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

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Raanta or Keumper but Raanta is a UFA, makes more sense for the retention. Bennet, just a play off the trade rumours to Toronto (Engvall, Dermott) Bennett is a 4th liner. 4th liner for 4th liner, JJ is cheaper even with retention and will cost much less to extend. 2nd for a possible top 4D. Again, just a Oilers package on a Toronto, Calgary rumour. Mantha was scratched, he really hasn't put up a ton of points, just throwing something out there, how do you value him?

This next section if for my fellow Oilers fans or anyone else who cares.

Nuge doesn't sign until the offseason, he doesn't need protection. Bouchard takes the spot and runs. Bear comes back and finds another gear.

The idea is try to get into th playoffs, the Oilers need to do something with their goalie situation. Mantha and Bennet would help the forward group even though they need D. If this doesn't work then they then make a move for a D soon after or by the TDL. Of they can't find a way to win regardless of these trades they need to do something. Even if they get a chance at a good pick this year (again?) They won't be ready for another how many years? Use that pick to bring in a difference makes on D or rework the D this offseason UFA/trades and sign Raanta or any one else really? They have a ton of cap this offseason, it's time for Holland to make it happen or its another decade of darkness and 1st overall picks.

I know the season is young and spots 3-5 in the north are stil anybody's but let's gooo! Figure it out haha

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EDM

Mantha, Anthony

DET

Larsson, Adam
Choix de 2e ronde en 2022 (EDM)

EDM

Bennett, Sam (500 000 $ retained)
Choix de 2e ronde en 2021 (CGY)

CGY

EDM

Raanta, Antti (2 125 000 $ retained)

ARI

Chiasson, Alex
Choix de 2e ronde en 2021 (CGY)

Rachats de contrats

Andrej Sekera: 2 500 000 $
Benoit Pouliot: 1 333 333 $

Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire

Milan Lucic: 750 000 $ (12.5%)

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
23	81 500 000 $	78 597 366 $	341 534 $	730 000 $	2 902 634 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Mantha, Anthony 2 850 000 $2 850 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 4	McDavid, Connor 12 500 000 $12 500 000 $ C UFA - 6	Puljujärvi, Jesse 1 175 000 $1 175 000 $ AD UFA - 2
Nugent-Hopkins, Ryan 6 000 000 $6 000 000 $ AG, C UFA - 1	Draisaitl, Leon 8 500 000 $8 500 000 $ C, AG UFA - 5	Yamamoto, Kailer 894 166 $894 166 $ (230 000 $$230K) AD RFA - 1
Kahun, Dominik 975 000 $975 000 $ AG, AD, C UFA - 1		Kassian, Zack 3 200 000 $3 200 000 $ AD UFA - 4
Bennett, Sam 2 050 000 $2 050 000 $ C UFA - 1	Turris, Kyle 1 650 000 $1 650 000 $ C, AD UFA - 2	Neal, James 5 750 000 $5 750 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 3
	Haas, Gaëtan 915 000 $915 000 $ C UFA - 1

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Nurse, Darnell 5 600 000 $5 600 000 $ DG UFA - 2	Bear, Ethan 2 000 000 $2 000 000 $ DD UFA - 2	Raanta, Antti 2 125 000 $2 125 000 $ G UFA - 1
Koekkoek, Slater 850 000 $850 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 1	Bouchard, Evan 863 333 $863 333 $ (500 000 $$500K) DD RFA - 3	Koskinen, Mikko 4 500 000 $4 500 000 $ G M-NTC UFA - 2
Lagesson, William 725 000 $725 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 2	Barrie, Tyson 3 750 000 $3 750 000 $ DD UFA - 1

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Russell, Kris 4 000 000 $4 000 000 $ DG/DD M-NTC, NMC UFA - 1		Klefbom, Oscar 4 167 000 $4 167 000 $ DG UFA - 3
Nygård, Joakim 875 000 $875 000 $ AG UFA - 1
Archibald, Josh 1 500 000 $1 500 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 2

Équipe de réserve
Smith, Mike 1 500 000 $1 500 000 $ (425 000 $$425K425 000 $$425K) (500 000 $$500K) G NTC UFA - 1
Shore, Devin 700 000 $700 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0) AG, C, AD UFA - 1
Russell, Patrick 700 000 $700 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0) AD UFA - 1
Ennis, Tyler 1 000 000 $1 000 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0) AG, AD UFA - 1
Benson, Tyler 808 333 $808 333 $ (0 $$00 $$0) AG, AD UFA - 1
Quine, Alan 750 000 $750 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0) C UFA - 1

8 févr. 2021 à 17 h 57

Ryminister_27

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Mantha starts with Broberg or Bouchard. Likely adding in Puljujarvi in there too.

Call it an overpay, but Mantha has very strong analytics and is signed on a great deal with term. Detroit has no reason to move him for nothing short of something that blows them away.

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8 févr. 2021 à 17 h 57

KakkoForMauriceRichardAward

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DET declines, as Mantha is their 2nd best

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8 févr. 2021 à 18 h 2

OldNYIfan

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I think that Detroit values Mantha about the same as Toronto values Nylander.

Just offering my two cents because I'll never see either one of them playing a home game in Southern California.

8 févr. 2021 à 18 h 2

JmoneyTalk

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Ouch

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Quoting: Ryminister_27

Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward

DET declines, as Mantha is their 2nd best

I agree, he's their second be best forward but that's not a good thing.. that is an overpay.. I know he's worth more then a second and Larsson but he's not worth a top D prospect from anyone. JP thrown in makes sense (still not ready give up on him though)..

8 févr. 2021 à 18 h 4

JmoneyTalk

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Ouch

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Quoting: OldNYIfan

I think that Detroit values Mantha about the same as Toronto values Nylander.

Just offering my two cents because I'll never see either one of them playing a home game in Southern California.

I agree he has value to the team because he's one of their best forwards but Nylander is way better in my opinion. I don't think there's an actual trade available for Mantha, unless they keep scratching him and Holland makes a call for an old player of his.

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8 févr. 2021 à 18 h 4

Ryminister_27

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Quoting: JmoneyTalk

Mantha has better analytics than Nylander does. He's a complete player with size and production while being signed long term on a bargain deal. It absolutely starts with a top prospect and young roster player

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8 févr. 2021 à 18 h 10

NYR1983

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Quoting: Ryminister_27

100%

8 févr. 2021 à 18 h 12

JmoneyTalk

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Ouch

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Quoting: Ryminister_27

I would like to see those analytics. I think Nylander is still better regardless just from watching them play. Either way, there's a lot better players that can be had for that price. If Detroit keeps scratching him we'll see how much their evaluation changes. And again, he's a second line player on most teams, but would he find another great with McDavid? Or will McDavid make him look good?

8 févr. 2021 à 18 h 12

JmoneyTalk

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Ouch

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Quoting: NYR1983

100%

Quoting: JmoneyTalk

8 févr. 2021 à 18 h 23

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redwingsfan04

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That's really nowhere near what it would take to get Mantha out of Detroit. He's had a bit of a rough start but some people are severely undervaluing him based off that. He's still an elite power forward that should be able to put up 30+ goals and 60+ points (full season) on DETROIT. A rental defenseman and a 2nd round pick is a laughable offer for him. As someone said earlier, Bouchard or Broberg would need to be involved to start the conversation.

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8 févr. 2021 à 18 h 30

#11

Ryminister_27

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Quoting: JmoneyTalk

If you wanna directly compare the two of them, the easiest site is:

https://public.tableau.com/profile/bill.comeau#!/vizhome/SKATR2019-2020/SKATR

from there you can look at sites like hockey-reference.com or something similar and look at individual stats back and fourth. Personally I use internal analytics since I work in the scouting industry and use analytics, but I'm not able to disclose those. But those sites should get you started.

Nylander is the more flashy player making more highlight plays. But Mantha is the far more complete player.

8 févr. 2021 à 18 h 55

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Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward

DET declines, as Mantha is their 2nd best

I agree but he is the most talented player on the team offensively at least.

8 févr. 2021 à 18 h 58

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KakkoForMauriceRichardAward

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Quoting: aedoran

I agree but he is the most talented player on the team offensively at least.

uhhhhh Larkin>>

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8 févr. 2021 à 19 h 26

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Jfstompers

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Would it be crazy to move mantha, no. This isnt the deal though. Can't move him for a guy whos a ufa in 4 months and a 2nd.

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8 févr. 2021 à 19 h 29

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aedoran

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Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward

uhhhhh Larkin>>

He the best because he puts in so much work and he is a true 2 way player and faster. Mantha is a pure goal scorer do to injuries and being some what lazy at times I don't think we have seen his full potential. He has had a couple of streaks where he was close to averaging 2 points a game.

8 févr. 2021 à 19 h 29

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Jfstompers

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Quoting: JmoneyTalk

Theyre different kinda players but I agree nylander has more individual skill. Id like to see mantha play top 6 minutes in Toronto with Mathew or Tavares and see what it looks like though.

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8 févr. 2021 à 20 h 0

#17

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I think larsson is worth more to EDMONTON than mantha is. Not about who’s better but more of who’s better fit. Edmonton doesn’t have much on the back end of a physical cycle breaker larsson brings that in spades. I wouldn’t do that deal just because of how soft it makes blueline. Nothing at all against mantha.
Flames trade I don’t think I can ever get behind just two teams that shouldn’t even talk to each other.
Arizona deal let’s just see how smith does getting into line up first. Him and kosk provided a solid tandem last season.

8 févr. 2021 à 20 h 5

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DiehardRedWingsFan58

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Get freaking real, Larsson is a pending UFA this summer and Mantha still has 3 years left. Larsson is also 2 years older then Mantha plus a 2nd round pick is a pitiful offer Detroit easily declines that offer. Anthony Mantha starts with one of Bouchard/Brogerg plus Puljujarvi minimally..

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8 févr. 2021 à 21 h 27

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You forgot yamamoto, bouchard, this year's first, rodrigue and Holloway for mantha

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