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I haven’t seen anyone that undervalues Mangiapane. Although I guess he isn’t talked about with the rest of the 20 goal scorers & such because he didn’t technically score 20 last year (although he was on pace to). He’s a good player on a good contract.

Apparently the NHL is looking at making draft lottery change ( like a team can’t have a top 3 pick 2 years in a row ) and might have 2 straight drafts in 2022 ( the 2021 and 2022 draft )

The two straight drafts thing is stupid to me. Kind of indifferent to any sort of top 3 stipulation on first thought.

I've seen him be quite undervalued by a few people. The worst one I can think of was a Blues fan trying to go Mangiapane for Bortuzzo pretty much straight up. Proceeded to argue that Mangiapane is a 4th line player.

Lmao I remember that thread. By BeastMode. Then he got angry he was losing and changed it to ROR and 8 1sts for Mangi. He thinks everybody on the Flames is carried by Tkachuk and a PP specialist.

What’s wrong with the two straight drafts? It would make things interesting in terms of draft pick trading during the season, and there’s no downside for anyone, it benefits both scouts and players. Plus hopefully everyone is vaccinated by summer 2022, and there can be a great large crowd in Montréal, since the draft is obviously way better in-person for everyone involved.

How would two straight drafts even work

The teams stay for a week or 2 in Montréal. Have 1 draft on the 1st weekend, and then another a few days to a week later.

But like why

because teams can't scout this year's draft class well at all with all the junior leagues struggling to get a season in

Yeah I know a couple OHL Draftees who are just dying to get ice time in. Those guys are losing their conditioning fast if they don’t get ice time.

The next few years will be interesting in terms of drafts, so many late round talents because of less scouting.

Seems unnecessary. Majority of 2021 prospects are playing somewhere and NHL teams have access to that video, all the organizations are in the same boat. Fixing a problem that doesn't really need fixing, imo. You're doubling scouting staffs future workloads now that they have to track two classes at once. Taking away potential opportunity for franchises that pick early on in 2021 to utilize what should be a current asset for them (i.e Detroit gets #1 pick, wants Beniers who they view as NHL ready, well too bad you don't get him till next year). The hindrance to the ability to scout this draft class is just being overblown, imo.

The whole reason that this might happen is because the people that you mentioned want it to happen. Sure it’d be more work for scouts, but it sounds like they’d rather do more work and get it right instead of have a lesser workload but more room for error. Or the teams could just hire a lot more scouts, which would be good with so many people out of work right now.

And it seems like the GMs are also pushing for this. It’s not like there’s a slam dunk player that’s definitely going to play in the NHL, and even if someone did, one young player isn’t going to change much of anything for a really bad team. And if a team that’s closer to the playoffs gets 1st overall, they can’t complain since they were unlikely to pick high anyways.

Man, COVID has obviously hit a lot of people hard, and has had it’s affect in the hockey world, but in the hockey sector it’s worst for all these young players. These are valuable development years, where they need to improve their game or show themselves off so that they can have a better opportunity of playing pro, but with the leagues being shut down they aren’t getting any of the valuable time on ice they need.

Yeah. The one guy I know, Thomas Johnston, played with Rossi and the 67s last year. He was 4RW, and has said his goal was second line. He ain’t gonna reach that without the OHL season starting. The guy has been dying to get on the ice with his teammates. The only hockey he’s had is ponds this winter.

the pond is not a place to grow your skill and become NHL ready, you need that rink with coaches and games etc. The poor guy. And now people are trying to stop them from playing because of COVID.

They need minor hockey. In a bad way.

Thanks

That's a significant generalization of the scouts. They are all individuals with their own personal lives/situations; I'm sure a good number of them wouldn't appreciate their workload doubling, especially when their jobs include travelling and therefore not seeing their families. As for hiring more, that'd be the ideal solution, but teams are actively losing money and have been slashing costs here there and everywhere. Not sure how some of the owners would react to being asked to double the size of their scouting departments.

I agree with you that there is no slam dunk player in this draft to come in and play right away, but the fact of the matter is it doesn't really matter what you or I think in regards to that. It matters if a team(s) thinks they're being denied an asset that could currently be helping them win games and/or put butts in seats. I also thoroughly disagree about a team that was closer to the playoffs having no right to complain. The draft lottery is set up the way it is and no matter how small a chance those teams have at winning a lottery, if they are awarded the opportunity of a high pick they shouldn't be denied the chance to reap the rewards of that.

I just really think moving the draft back is more trouble than it's worth. Everyone's on the same even ground right now. Just grit your teeth and do the best you can. That's just my opinion on the matter.

Makes me remember the times Seguin and Scheifele did that

That’s fair. I personally don’t really care when the draft is, it’s just that it sounds like, from what’s being reported, that the scouts and people in charge of the drafts are the only people who really care about pushing the draft back. And since the only thing that pushing it back affects is the scouting department, if the scouts want it pushed back, I don’t see a problem with it.

But again, I’m just going off what I understand from the stuff that’s being reported, and I could be completely off-base here, and the scouts actually don’t want this.

Yeah, I'm sure there are people in favor of it. There'll always be people on both ends of the spectrum. If I had to bet, I think it probably does get pushed back, I just personally think it's kind of pointless.

Neal is on waivers today. Not surprising, although the fact that he went on a tear last year and the Oilers had to give up a 3rd. He’ll probably get bought out either this summer or next summer, depending on how much cap space the Oilers need next year.

Darren Dredger, Elliot Friedman and Frank Serevalli are all reporting Dzingel to Ottawa for Paquette and Galchenyuk might be more pieces involved

Odd move for Carolina. Maybe a cap move?