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Sharks Prospect Projection Team - Info and Discussion

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Équipe: 2020-21 Sharks de San Jose
Date de création initiale: 19 nov. 2020
Publié: 27 nov. 2020
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
This is a in-depth guide, from a “random” albeit, to the sharks prospect pool/ system.
*Warning: I am not a analyst and professional but I feel I have a “decent” opinion but I’m very open to fair criticism and discussion! So I’m not 100% knowledgeable on all prospect - including everyone in the Sharks systems so if I’m way off, or completely uninformed on someone by all means inform me.*

With the offseason at a stand still and bored while resting - felt like putting this together to firstly, inform myself and would love in-depth replies if I’m missing/ need something. Good to test my knowledge but also spread some incase anyone wants to see some opinions/ info on the sharks.

GUIDE:
Each players CAP HIT is their “near max” potential contract - meaning, I have Ivan Chekhovich at 7mil which says I think if he reaches near his max, the highest contract I predict he’d get in the NHL is that of a 7 million dollar player.

Each players NAME is what I think is the most likely outcome if they were to make the NHL. Meaning that while some of these guys are given the benefit of doubt and make the NHL, what I think the realistic outcome would be. Example being Ivan Chekhovich, while he has a 7 mil price tag being one of the higher predictions - in reality I’ve predicted him to become a fringe American player who would only become a bottom 6 guy.

These are just opinions and things can change especially with time but this is what I’m going with. Enjoy and give opinions below!

(Once again - cap hits are near max predictions of potential and player names are realistic outcomes of what they likely become if they don’t reach their potential but still make the NHL. Not all these players will make the NHL but it’s for sake of discussion.).
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
LISTE DE RÉSERVEANSCAP HIT
3975 000 $
3975 000 $
3975 000 $
3975 000 $
RFAANSCAP HIT
1975 000 $
CRÉÉANSCAP HIT
John Leonard, Middle 6 Scorer
16 000 000 $
Sasha Chmelevski, Fringe 2nd Center but likely 2RW
17 000 000 $
Ozzy Wiesblatt, Top 6 driver - low point totals but effective momentum player
18 000 000 $
Thomas Bordeleau, Top 6 center with talent
19 000 000 $
Ivan Chekhovich, Bottom 6 - fringe American player
17 000 000 $
Joachim Blichfeld, Third Line Scorer
16 000 000 $
Yegor Spiridonov, Bottom 6 - TWF - PK
13 500 000 $
Jonathan Dahlen, Third line player
14 750 000 $
Vladislav Kotkov, Bottom 6 power forward who drives the net
13 750 000 $
Dillon Hamaliuk, Bottom 6 grinder with offensive upside
13 500 000 $
Tristen Robins, Middle 6 Centre with offensive upside
15 750 000 $
Jayden Halbgewachs, Middle 6 puck mover
14 000 000 $
Ryan Merkley, Top 4 OFD - potentially a 65 point guy focusing on output
110 000 000 $
Brinson Pasichnuk, Top 4 TWD - Focus on puck moving and fluid skating
16 500 000 $
Artemi Kniazev, Second Pair TWD - Focus on puck moving and driving offensive
16 500 000 $
Nicholas Meloche, Fringe NHL player - bottom pair physical defender
14 500 000 $
Santeri Hatakka, Fringe NHL player - fringe American player
13 000 000 $
Nikolai Knyzhov, Fringe NHL player - fringe American player
13 000 000 $
Alexei Melnichuk, NHL Fringe Starter - good for 30 games
16 000 000 $
Zacharie Emond, Fringe NHL Backup
14 000 000 $
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    The way this is organized:

    Cap hit = the players ceiling!
    Meaning of a players cap hit is 6 million (Leonard), that means I believe his ceiling is a 6million dollar top6 goal scorer. He’ll be great but nothing super insane.
    First Name = each players names are used as their last name and their first name is designated to being their most likely outcome. It’s still a better than worst case assumption, but it’s just a more realistic projection of what they become if they were to make the NHL. Some prospects won’t get a NHL projection because I think it would be too unrealistic but for most guys I went with a “if they made the roster” type feel.
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      The way this is organized:

      Cap hit = the players ceiling!
      Meaning of a players cap hit is 6 million (Leonard), that means I believe his ceiling is a 6million dollar top6 goal scorer. He’ll be great but nothing super insane.
      First Name = each players names are used as their last name and their first name is designated to being their most likely outcome. It’s still a better than worst case assumption, but it’s just a more realistic projection of what they become if they were to make the NHL. Some prospects won’t get a NHL projection because I think it would be too unrealistic but for most guys I went with a “if they made the roster” type feel.
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      TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
      2781 500 000 $123 980 000 $0 $1 625 000 $-42 480 000 $
      Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
      John Leonard, Middle 6 Scorer
      6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
      Sasha Chmelevski, Fringe 2nd Center but likely 2RW
      7 000 000 $7 000 000 $
      Ozzy Wiesblatt, Top 6 driver - low point totals but effective momentum player
      8 000 000 $8 000 000 $
      Ivan Chekhovich, Bottom 6 - fringe American player
      7 000 000 $7 000 000 $
      Thomas Bordeleau, Top 6 center with talent
      9 000 000 $9 000 000 $
      Joachim Blichfeld, Third Line Scorer
      6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
      Jonathan Dahlen, Third line player
      4 750 000 $4 750 000 $
      Tristen Robins, Middle 6 Centre with offensive upside
      5 750 000 $5 750 000 $
      Vladislav Kotkov, Bottom 6 power forward who drives the net
      3 750 000 $3 750 000 $
      Yegor Spiridonov, Bottom 6 - TWF - PK
      3 500 000 $3 500 000 $
      Jayden Halbgewachs, Middle 6 puck mover
      4 000 000 $4 000 000 $
      Dillon Hamaliuk, Bottom 6 grinder with offensive upside
      3 500 000 $3 500 000 $
      Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
      Brinson Pasichnuk, Top 4 TWD - Focus on puck moving and fluid skating
      6 500 000 $6 500 000 $
      Ryan Merkley, Top 4 OFD - potentially a 65 point guy focusing on output
      10 000 000 $10 000 000 $
      Alexei Melnichuk, NHL Fringe Starter - good for 30 games
      6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
      Artemi Kniazev, Second Pair TWD - Focus on puck moving and driving offensive
      6 500 000 $6 500 000 $
      Nicholas Meloche, Fringe NHL player - bottom pair physical defender
      4 500 000 $4 500 000 $
      Nikolai Knyzhov, Fringe NHL player - fringe American player
      3 000 000 $3 000 000 $
      Zacharie Emond, Fringe NHL Backup
      4 000 000 $4 000 000 $
      Santeri Hatakka, Fringe NHL player - fringe American player
      3 000 000 $3 000 000 $
      Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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      925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance212 500 $$212K)
      AG, AD
      UFA - 2
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      778 333 $778 333 $ (Bonis de performance132 500 $$132K)
      C
      RFA - 2
      Logo de Sharks de San Jose
      897 500 $897 500 $
      AD
      RFA - 5
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      776 667 $776 667 $ (Bonis de performance110 000 $$110K)
      C, AG
      UFA - 2
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      975 000 $975 000 $
      C, AG
      RFA
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      736 666 $736 666 $ (Bonis de performance20 000 $$20K)
      AD, AG
      UFA - 1
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      975 000 $975 000 $
      AG, AD
      UFA
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      975 000 $975 000 $
      C
      RFA
      Logo de Sharks de San Jose
      760 000 $760 000 $ (Bonis de performance70 000 $$70K)
      AG
      UFA - 3
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      795 000 $795 000 $
      AG
      RFA - 4
      Logo de Sharks de San Jose
      975 000 $975 000 $
      C
      RFA - 5
      Logo de Sharks de San Jose
      725 000 $725 000 $
      AG, C
      UFA - 2
      Logo de Sharks de San Jose
      925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
      DG
      UFA - 2
      Logo de Sharks de San Jose
      863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance300 000 $$300K)
      DD
      UFA - 3
      Logo de Sharks de San Jose
      925 000 $925 000 $
      G
      UFA - 2
      Logo de Sharks de San Jose
      795 000 $795 000 $
      DG
      RFA - 4
      Logo de Sharks de San Jose
      700 000 $700 000 $
      DD
      UFA - 1
      Logo de Sharks de San Jose
      786 667 $786 667 $ (Bonis de performance20 000 $$20K)
      G
      UFA - 3
      Logo de Sharks de San Jose
      975 000 $975 000 $
      DG
      RFA
      Logo de Sharks de San Jose
      796 667 $796 667 $ (Bonis de performance20 000 $$20K)
      DG/DD
      UFA - 2

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      27 nov. 2020 à 9 h 11
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      @papishark @RawZuccSauce420 @JumboFett @CheechYou @Jexus @sharksfan39 @SJS2212 @sharks_1999

      @any other fans (or users of any fanbases idc) if there’s interest in discussion

      Open for fair critique of players/ projections and others I did not mention (I only chose a starting roster of 4 lines 3 pairs and 2 goalies)
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      27 nov. 2020 à 9 h 37
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      i feel like this is very generous
      27 nov. 2020 à 9 h 40
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      i feel like this is very generous


      Well yeah - in the descriptions it states it’s giving the benefit of doubt - as if they were to make the NHL. I thought it was fair as only 3 players I projected to really be top 6 guys and only 3 defenders who would be 2nd pair guys. So that’s 6 players who actually make NHL impacts and 7 if you count Melnichuk. Still 7 is high but once again benefit of doubt to give an idea of the type of player.
      27 nov. 2020 à 9 h 41
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      Well yeah - in the descriptions it states it’s giving the benefit of doubt - as if they were to make the NHL. I thought it was fair as only 3 players I projected to really be top 6 guys and only 3 defenders who would be 2nd pair guys. So that’s 6 players who actually make NHL impacts and 7 if you count Melnichuk


      ya. one of the bottom prospect pools for sure. I think this team will be pretty mediocre or worse for a while
      27 nov. 2020 à 10 h 1
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      Quoting: Ryancnbb
      ya. one of the bottom prospect pools for sure. I think this team will be pretty mediocre or worse for a while


      I really do believe they should tank in 20-21 and 21-22
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      27 nov. 2020 à 10 h 4
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      Love the idea and the setup, this is really well done!

      I haven't seen a lot of people talk about it, but they had a pretty nice 2020 draft. Obviously you wish they could've picked a little higher in the first round, but for what they got in guys like Wiesblatt, Bordeleau, Gushchin and even Robins, they definitely came away with a nice number of quality, mid-level prospects. As for guys they already had, I've heard good things about Merkley, Leonard and Melichuk. The key for them is going to be staying in contention for another 3-4 years with the core they already have and then waiting for some of these guys to come in and augment what's there. Hopefully then they'll have a couple more shots at the Cup. It's not a great group of prospects, especially when compared to their main rivals LA, Anaheim and Vegas, but it should be good enough to get them by imo.
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      27 nov. 2020 à 10 h 19
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      The only one I like that catches my eye would be Ozzy Wiesblatt.
      27 nov. 2020 à 10 h 27
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      Daniil Guschin has top six upside. Probably has the best hands in the org right now. Sharks traded up for him. Brandon Coe should also be here, he has middle six upside. Knyzhov is expected to challenge for an nhl role this season and shouldnt discount Hatakka so quick, hes one of the best skaters we have in the system and one of the best in his draft.
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      27 nov. 2020 à 10 h 30
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      Quoting: Nhl_oilers
      The only one I like that catches my eye would be Ozzy Wiesblatt.


      You dont know much about prospects then.
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      27 nov. 2020 à 11 h 10
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      Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
      I really do believe they should tank in 20-21 and 21-22


      Don’t worry man I wish we were lol

      I’ve prayed for a rebuild that won’t happen
      27 nov. 2020 à 11 h 11
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      Quoting: Jexus
      Daniil Guschin has top six upside. Probably has the best hands in the org right now. Sharks traded up for him. Brandon Coe should also be here, he has middle six upside. Knyzhov is expected to challenge for an nhl role this season and shouldnt discount Hatakka so quick, hes one of the best skaters we have in the system and one of the best in his draft.


      Didn’t know enough to talk on those guys - any more details I missed?
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      27 nov. 2020 à 11 h 13
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      Quoting: ForsbergForVezina
      Love the idea and the setup, this is really well done!

      I haven't seen a lot of people talk about it, but they had a pretty nice 2020 draft. Obviously you wish they could've picked a little higher in the first round, but for what they got in guys like Wiesblatt, Bordeleau, Gushchin and even Robins, they definitely came away with a nice number of quality, mid-level prospects. As for guys they already had, I've heard good things about Merkley, Leonard and Melichuk. The key for them is going to be staying in contention for another 3-4 years with the core they already have and then waiting for some of these guys to come in and augment what's there. Hopefully then they'll have a couple more shots at the Cup. It's not a great group of prospects, especially when compared to their main rivals LA, Anaheim and Vegas, but it should be good enough to get them by imo.

      I like what we have as you said but yeah LA is light years ahead they got a insane future. Anaheim is close to them.

      I love some of the names and I trust our scouting I just wish we would commit to focusing on our future. Because although we have good players I think 1 year of full on focus on youth would do a lot of help - hopefully by TDL we either compete for playoffs or fully commit to a youth influx. No middle ground.
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      27 nov. 2020 à 11 h 22
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      Quoting: Nhl_oilers
      The only one I like that catches my eye would be Ozzy Wiesblatt.


      Wiesblatt is a great prospect but he is not close to the most flashy or eye catching prospect. His potential is still pretty unclear. Guys like merkley, pasnichuk, bordeleau, Sasha chmelevski, Leonard are much more promising names for offensive future. Ozzy is going to be NHL player I think but his
      Min-Max potential is very foggy I think, he could be a big time player or a middle 6 ceiling. He has the tools and work ethic to make a career just need some time to see where he lands
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      27 nov. 2020 à 11 h 30
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      The contracts are pretty generous. Brayden Point would seem like the max (pipe dream) ceiling for Bordeleau and he doesnt even make 9 I dont think. Merkley at 10 would pretty much have to be the next Erik Karlsson which would be awesome, but Im not sure its possible eventhough I love the kid.
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      27 nov. 2020 à 11 h 57
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      The contracts are pretty generous. Brayden Point would seem like the max (pipe dream) ceiling for Bordeleau and he doesnt even make 9 I dont think. Merkley at 10 would pretty much have to be the next Erik Karlsson which would be awesome, but Im not sure its possible eventhough I love the kid.


      Yeah as to why the names layout similar as to what you say. Merkley is ceiling at Karlsson but likely and realistically won’t be. The name is realistic, the cap is MAX potential if they reached it and what their career high contract would be. Bordeleau could be a 9 mil guy (similar to point but point could get more his next contract) but likely more of a top6 talent (as to his name description)
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      27 nov. 2020 à 12 h 1
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      Quoting: Jexus
      You dont know much about prospects then.



      No I do, he’s the only one that I find top 6 for the sharks.
      27 nov. 2020 à 12 h 7
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      Quoting: yikes
      Wiesblatt is a great prospect but he is not close to the most flashy or eye catching prospect. His potential is still pretty unclear. Guys like merkley, pasnichuk, bordeleau, Sasha chmelevski, Leonard are much more promising names for offensive future. Ozzy is going to be NHL player I think but his
      Min-Max potential is very foggy I think, he could be a big time player or a middle 6 ceiling. He has the tools and work ethic to make a career just need some time to see where he lands


      Yah I just like him, and outside of Merkley he’s their best prospect hand down in my opinion.
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      27 nov. 2020 à 12 h 12
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      Quoting: Nhl_oilers
      Yah I just like him, and outside of Merkley he’s their best prospect hand down in my opinion.

      I’d have him top 2-5.

      Merkley
      Ozzy
      Bordeleau/ Pasnichuk
      Pasnichuk/ Bordeleau/ Leonard/ Chmel
      Chmel/ Kniazev/ Leonard

      I could see him at 3-4 but unlikely to see him at 5 (though I could see someone putting him there). 2 is much safer tho as you mention
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      27 nov. 2020 à 12 h 17
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      I’d have him top 2-5.

      Merkley
      Ozzy
      Bordeleau/ Pasnichuk
      Pasnichuk/ Bordeleau
      Chmel/ Kniazev/ Leonard

      I could see him at 3-4 but unlikely to see him at 5 (though I could see someone putting him there). 2 is much safer tho as you mention


      Yes, that’s completely fair. People just don’t know how to respect people’s opinions. Him and Merkley are definitely 1 and 2.
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      27 nov. 2020 à 12 h 37
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      I think Robbins plays winger at the pro level. I think Melni will be an average NHL goalie, not many do what he does in the KHL and he's still super young. I'm not certain on Pasichnuk that he would play in the top 4. I think the lines in 2026 or whenever all these guys would play would be:

      Leonard Bordeleau Ozzy
      Robbins Sasha Blichfeld
      Dahlen Spiridonov (I love Yegor btw) Checkhovich
      Hamaluik Then who knows could be Alex Young for all we know

      Also the Gushchin discussion needs to be had. Dude could be an elite offensive talent in the league or not an NHLer who knows. Coe somewhat similarly is a question mark
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      27 nov. 2020 à 12 h 55
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      This is really an impressive and informative exercise. Well done!

      I think that instead of focusing on the actual numbers suggested, people should use the figures as a means of measuring one player against another. If the OP thinks that one guy is a 10 ($10 million) and another guy is a 9 and a third is an 8, all that says to me is how he ranks the three prospects -- who knows where contracts will be in 3 years, let alone 7?
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      27 nov. 2020 à 13 h 10
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      Quoting: yikes
      Didn’t know enough to talk on those guys - any more details I missed?


      Gushchin plays a hard nosed game, he’s fast, tenacious, elite stick handling and a strong shot, I’m surprised he didn’t go in the 2nd but he’s probably our biggest dark horse. Coe was also a very underrated pick and a late bloomer who could’ve also been a 2nd rounder. He’s big and does a lot very well. Cheko had a tough year but he is a very strong contender for a top six role still. Korenar still has nhl upside, moreso than Emond
      yikes a aimé ceci.
      27 nov. 2020 à 13 h 17
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      Imo Leonard is Our 2nd best prospect outside of Merkley. Leonard is going to be very very good. I’m not alone in thinking that either but a lot of people on here don’t know much about him. Dahlen is also still a very strong prospect
      yikes, papishark et CheechYou a aimé ceci.
      27 nov. 2020 à 13 h 20
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      Weisblatt and Coe were two guys I had my eyes on for my two crummy habitually-RW-challenged local teams. I hope that they both turn out well!
      yikes a aimé ceci.
      27 nov. 2020 à 13 h 22
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      Imo Leonard is Our 2nd best prospect outside of Merkley. Leonard is going to be very very good. I’m not alone in thinking that either but a lot of people on here don’t know much about him. Dahlen is also still a very strong prospect

      I like Leonard a ton, just don’t want to gas him up too early - see how things are after this year but I agree he’s top 5 at the very least. Dahlen is safe to say he could
      Make the NHL but it’s taken so long I don’t have a lot of faith in his ceiling
      OldNYIfan et Jexus a aimé ceci.
       
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