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Forum: Armchair-GM17 avr. à 15 h 58
Sujet: Markstrom Hayes and trading down
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>F50marco</b></div><div>I wouldn't move from 10th to 14th for anything less than a late 1st (Post lottery with no change) which may be too much for a team to swallow. NJ is going get a core piece of their future at 10 IMO. Not sure they will at 14. Not saying that is "fair" value just that it would have to be absurd value to make that downgrade. IMHO the top 10 are locks. May even extend to 12 but after that I feel there is a drop off. Not necessarily in talent but in likelihood of reaching potential.

Kind of reminds me of the 2011 draft. If you got top 10, you don't trade down.</div></div>

This is a draft where anything from 5-15 or so is about the same prospect caliber. It will all just be down to preference, which is why I don't think there are going to be a lot of teams looking to make big moves up the board unless a guy you have super high happens to fall 5+ spots. Pretty much everyone outside of Celebrini has a real wart to their game that makes them very risky (which is why this is viewed as a pretty weak draft class).
Forum: Armchair-GM30 janv. à 10 h 4
Sujet: Jiricek
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DFinn91</b></div><div>These responses are crazy lol. Jiricek was drafted 6th overall 1.5 years ago. He’s a 20 year old super skilled RD with size who you could put into your lineup right now. He’s #34 in The Athletic’s Under 23 Rankings. He’s got a good chance to be a legit #1.

The Sharks give up a good package, but you’ve got to give to get. If the Sharks could bring in Jiricek without having to give up any of their own 1sts, Smith, Eklund, or Mukh that would be a great move.

If the Sharks get some lottery luck, just think of a Celebrini, Smith, Eklund, Jiricek, and Mukh core.</div></div>

It's the almost 4 1st rounders of value that is the issue. A realistic deal would be Ferraro + Bordeleau + Pittsburgh 1st (top 15 protected). Can maybe add a filler piece somewhere, but the core of the trade is an NHL D-Man, 1st round pick, and middle of the road prospect with upside. Maybe that is a 4th or something like that instead, but rarely do you see non-established elites getting dealt for a package that includes that sort of ammunition.

It's adding on Musty (just came off being a 1st rounder and playing above his mid 20's draft slot in a loaded draft), and the 33rd or 34th overall pick that is the overpay. You're putting a package together that is worth more than the Sharks got for Timo Meier as an established 30+ goal scorer in this league (Muk = Musty, Ferraro &gt; Zetterlund, PIT 1st &gt; NJD 1st, SJ 2nd &gt; NJD 2nd - or equal if NJD makes the conference finals and it moves to 29-32).
Forum: Armchair-GM26 juin 2023 à 9 h 38
Sujet: Trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GolfBall</b></div><div>Respectfully I disagree. Karlsson is a great player who wants out and has a boat anchor contract. He played great last year and not so great with health issues prior. At full cost it's a huge gamble no one will take. If Murray stays healthy it's a 1 year hit for a good goalie. If he doesn't it's LTIR money. Liljegren has good potential. Niemela and Hirvonen are no cost sweeteners who might work out. This trade gives the Sharks flexibility.</div></div>

Add the Boston 1st rounder and the 2024 1st rounder and maybe you're onto something. Without any draft picks, this trade is just laughably bad.

Think about how much 1 year of Marleau at ~$6.5M cost Toronto to move 3-4 years ago to Carolina. That was a 1st round pick to move 1 year of that amount of money. Now think about asking a team to eat almost that amount of money plus take a cap dump for basically a 2nd or 3rd pair tweener in Liljegren and some throw in scraps. Doesn't even begin to talk about the value of the actual Norris winner you're acquiring in the process as well. Simply on the principle of money involved this is a terrible trade for SJ.
Forum: Armchair-GM15 juin 2023 à 8 h 58
Sujet: The athletic mock draft
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>buffbry9108</b></div><div>Pens trade 31 for barabanov not 17</div></div>

Would agree as a Sharks fan. Or if it is 17th overall coming for him, Pittsburgh gets to toss in a 1 year cap dump type of guy to SJ or SJ tosses in Gregor, Labanc, or the CAR 3rd rounder (not sure how cap would work on Labanc) to justify the move up in picks. Or PIT could just cut out the middle man and trade Granlund and 14th overall to SJ for Barabanov since that is effectively the way that the deal played out.

Would love to get another 1st rounder ahead of the NJD pick at 26th overall. Combine that with the 36th overall pick and you have lots of ammunition to move up and down the draft board for whatever guy(s) you want. Can rebuild a prospect pool quickly that way.
Forum: Armchair-GM14 juin 2023 à 15 h 17
Sujet: insane 3 way trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JeffGorton</b></div><div>You were complaining about 3m for 2 years in another post about Armia because the market is small but the Sharks get an out on an overpaid 2nd liner whos contract ends when hes 36 when the team is just starting a rebuild, and actually receive assets for him without retention suddenly makes no sense to you</div></div>

Sharks give up the only legit player in the whole deal and are somehow the team moving back in the draft.

Value to move from 4 to 5 is at minimum 5 + 31. So your deal is saying that the value of a top 6 center that has produced at a 68 points per 82 rate for the last 5 years (4 of those being on one of the worst teams in the NHL) is 37th overall and a LHD (which SJ already has literally 11 signed to contracts next year).

If somehow SJ got the same package but were the team moving up to 3rd overall, that deal would make sense. But in this scenario, SJ is giving up 2 of the 3 best assets and getting minimal back in return.