29 jun 2015
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>F50marco</b></div><div>I think losing Burns and Labanc while gaining Gaudreau, in the short term at least, isn't much of an upgrade then. Most teams trying to compete for a cup tend to not want to lose current players off their roster because overall the team doesn't get significantly better.
They'd be better off just trading the 1st and maybe Labanc for an upgrade at a position of need.</div></div>
I think what you're saying makes perfect sense but it all depends on what Wilson would be able to gain in FA in this hypothetical scenario. If Labanc+Burns are gone and only Gaudreau come back then it's (probably) a net loss in the immediate sense (definitely a gain for the future). But the immediate cap space that would be freed up (since Labanc would get a raise too) could land SJ a guy like Toffoli, in addition to Greiss, Braun, and Fast, then I think it's a net gain.
Say Labanc nets 4mil and Burns stays at 8mil (12mil total). Replacing that with Gaudreau saves 5mil (12-6.75), and if there's a 1.6mil retention for Burns, frees up 3.4mil. If the Sharks are able to add that cap to be able to afford a guy like Toffoli, it's a win. If not, maybe that can really strengthen their depth at least by netting Fast + Pageau + Greiss.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>The fact that so many Shark fans want to trade him even at retention. His raw stats at least to me shows a decline. Even the Sharks...maybe out of necessity have used him at RW. Can the Leafs get better value at 6m long term? I think so.</div></div>
I keep explaining this. I'd be fine with Burns finishing out in teal were it not for the fact that in addition to Burns (age 34, signed to 40), Sharks have
1) Couture (30 through 38),
2) Vlasic (32 through 39),
3) Karlsson (29 through 38),
4) Kane (28 through 33), and
5) Jones (30 through 35)
under contract. That's too many aging players on one team, as I'm sure you fully agree. Our opinions differ it seems on my contention that in isolation, a Vlasic/Karlsson/Couture/Burns helps out a team even at their big contract, whereas you don't agree. I just say that it's too many on one team that needs to rebuild and has a dearth of young guys.
On a team filled with young guys like the Leafs, however, Brent Burns right now would be VERY effective and wouldn't hurt the team given that they have guys signed through their 20s instead of 30s.
THAT's why I keep proposing the Sharks to trade Burns. Because they already have that type of player locked in with Karlsson, and because the Sharks have too many of those contracts. Not because he sucks, and not because his contract in isolation is egregiously terrible (it's not ideal in isolation, but a little retention like I keep proposing and an increasingly insignificant cap-hit-value with the salary cap steadily increasing balances things out for a team like the Leafs).