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Forum: Armchair-GMFri at 12:27 pm
Sujet: Realistic attempt at next years roster
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood</b></div><div>Lee, Bailey, Eberle, Nelson and Pague have 5 years or more each on their deals. The Islanders cap management is terrible. The NHL is moving away from having a middle class of high paid players. If you are a star you get star money, if you are secondary depth, you don't deserve huge pay days. The Islanders secondary players all make way too much money. Its going to hurt you big time.</div></div>

Lee's will hurt for sure, Pageau maybe as well. But Nelson, Eberle and even Bailey are worth their money and I think will be to the point that it doesn't cripple the team. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if one of those guys is left exposed for expansion, none of them have NMCs. Could be attractive veteran options for Seattle to pick up. I'm not saying they should be banking on that, but its a possibility.

As for "the worst cap situation in the cap era," lets say the scenario in this post comes to fruition. Next season you have just under $10 million to sign Beau, Pelech and Bellows. I think that, in tandem with any trades/buyouts that are made (Komarov/Boychuk) + expansion, with be enough. Then in 2022, Dobson is the only RFA they really have to worry about. The guys at the top make a lot, but not only are they worth it, but its not back breaking.
Forum: Armchair-GMWed at 11:16 pm
Sujet: CDH vs Maatta
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SlickWilly</b></div><div>I think De Haan gets moved over Maatta for a few reasons :
1. Maatta has a cheaper buyout so we dont have to scramble to find anyone to dump him on if we are at the cap next offseason
2. In terms of what he can bring back, I think we could probably get a 2nd or a middle prospect for De Haan, for Maatta I would expect a 3rd rounder or less because of the stigma around him being slow as molasses, but I personally think he is probably of similar value
3. Nobody knows how long that shoulder is going to hold up for until it breaks again and how long he would be out for after the next injury, so if we could get some value back before that happens, its a win to me, especially if we dont plan on contending next season

Overall, I think GAR can be slightly misleading and that De Haan is definitely better than Maatta, but I do not think the difference is as wide as people think. In an ideal world, we are contending next season and I keep both of them, but it is more likely than not that we arent, so I think I would sell De Haan to the highest bidder</div></div>

I appreciate the other perspective and I think that thats a totally valid argument. Like I said, if both are healthy and playing in their appropriate roles, I don't think you can go wrong with keeping either
Forum: Armchair-GMWed at 1:28 am
Sujet: CDH vs Maatta
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ChiHawk</b></div><div>"However, if healthy, I think De Haan can be just as effective as Maatta or any other 2nd pairing defensive-minded defenseman."

You lost me with that statement. When healthy, De Haan is another level better then Maatta and there should be no debate. De Haan is one of the better defensive 2nd line players in the league. Maatta is not a 2nd line player on most teams, but a decent 3rd liner player on around 14 teams in the league. Maatta simply is not nearly as good as de haan when healthy.

Everything else you said I agree with.</div></div>

I don’t know if I agree with that. Maatta has a really good season this year, contributed a little bit everywhere and that added up for him. There are things De Haan does better than Maatta for sure. Without a doubt, he’s more physical, which is advantageous in a number of ways. If that’s what you mean by “another level better,” then sure, De Haan is better than Maatta. But when I look at Maatta’s overall impact, whether it’s GAR, expected goals, Corsi, whatever, he’s edging De Haan out and that’s with well over half of his faceoffs being taken outside the offensive zone. In fairness, De Haan probably got put up against better competition (I recall him playing with Keith before he got hurt), which shows a higher level of trust from the coaching stuff in him and perhaps a better reputation, but his poorer results, combined with Maatta’s more positive ones says to me that that gap between the two is shrinking significantly.

Maybe this is just my way of saying De Haan is overrated (which I think is unfair, I still think he’s very good) but I just think that the two are closer in effectiveness than it perhaps perceived
Forum: Armchair-GMTue at 10:33 pm
Sujet: CDH vs Maatta
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Roviet_Sussia</b></div><div>I'd think Maatta is the most likely to get moved, unless a team specifically wants CDH. Maatta is cheaper (though not by much) and has a much friendlier buyout clause that will interest teams the most.

I'd also be inclined to keep CDH despite having a lower GAR than Maatta, mainly because
1.) He's better at relieving pressure in both zones (cc @ShutdownLine)
2.) CDH plays more aggressively than Maatta, which is something CHI needs more of on the backend</div></div>

I’d agree with the aggressiveness/physicality for sure and relieving pressure is good too. That would probably be my inclination too, but the risk for injury with CDH is definitely something that concerns me. But it’s going to concern any other potential trade partner too. I think De Haan stays