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Créé par: jasalex

Équipe: 2020-21 Lightning de Tampa Bay

Date de création initiale: 26 août 2020

Publié: 1 sept. 2020

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

Description

It is still a very good team.

ACGM of other teams have all traded for our young RFA. No one waives their NTC so go w our older players and draft for the future.

CapFriendly has a calculator that allows you to see the tax differences if a player is traded from one team to to another. It is big... TB has many NTC, financially it is hard to think someone would waive.

Their calculator if a player made 5,250,000 in Tampa the equivalent in:
Toronto less 727,000 per year
NY less 426,000 per year
San Jose less 656,000 per year.

The only cities where the take home is the same are Dallas, FL, Vegas and Nashville. Vegas has cap issues so that is not realistic.

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

RFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Stephens, Mitchell	2	900 000 $
Volkov, Alexander	1	900 000 $
Verhaeghe, Carter	1	750 000 $
Joseph, Mathieu	1	750 000 $

UFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Bogosian, Zach	2	1 500 000 $
Maroon, Patrick	2	900 000 $
Shattenkirk, Kevin	2	2 750 000 $

Transactions

TBL

Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (CAR)
Choix de 3e ronde en 2020 (NYR)
Choix de 1e ronde en 2021 (NYR)

NYR

Sergachev, Mikhail [Droits de RFA]

TBL

Liljegren, Timothy
Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (PIT)

TOR

Cernak, Erik [Droits de RFA]

TBL

Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (MIN)
Choix de 2e ronde en 2020 (MIN)
Choix de 3e ronde en 2021 (MIN)

MIN

Cirelli, Anthony [Droits de RFA]

TBL

Choix de 2e ronde en 2020 (SJS)
Choix de 3e ronde en 2021 (WSH)

SJS

Killorn, Alex

TBL

Choix de 3e ronde en 2020 (MTL)

MTL

Paquette, Cédric
Choix de 4e ronde en 2020 (TBL)

Rachats de contrats

Vincent Lecavalier: 0 $

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
2020
2021
2022

FORMATION

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INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
23	81 500 000 $	81 064 257 $	0 $	900 000 $	435 743 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Palat, Ondrej 5 300 000 $5 300 000 $ AG, AD NTC UFA - 2	Point, Brayden 6 750 000 $6 750 000 $ C, AD UFA - 2	Kucherov, Nikita 9 500 000 $9 500 000 $ AD NMC UFA - 7
Coleman, Blake 1 800 000 $1 800 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 1	Stamkos, Steven 8 500 000 $8 500 000 $ AG, C NMC UFA - 4	Johnson, Tyler 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ AD, C, AG NTC UFA - 4
		Volkov, Alexander 900 000 $900 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1
Goodrow, Barclay 925 000 $925 000 $ C, AG UFA - 1	Gourde, Yanni 5 166 666 $5 166 666 $ C, AG, AD NTC UFA - 5	Maroon, Patrick 900 000 $900 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 2
Verhaeghe, Carter 750 000 $750 000 $ AG UFA - 2	Stephens, Mitchell 900 000 $900 000 $ C UFA - 2

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Hedman, Victor 7 875 000 $7 875 000 $ DG NMC UFA - 5	Bogosian, Zach 1 500 000 $1 500 000 $ DD UFA - 1	Vasilevskiy, Andrei 9 500 000 $9 500 000 $ G UFA - 8
McDonagh, Ryan 6 750 000 $6 750 000 $ DG NTC UFA - 6	Shattenkirk, Kevin 2 750 000 $2 750 000 $ DD UFA - 3	McElhinney, Curtis 1 300 000 $1 300 000 $ G UFA - 1
Coburn, Braydon 1 700 000 $1 700 000 $ DG NTC UFA - 1	Foote, Cal 925 000 $925 000 $ (500 000 $$500K) DD RFA - 1
	Liljegren, Timothy 863 333 $863 333 $ (400 000 $$400K) DD RFA - 2

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Joseph, Mathieu 750 000 $750 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 2
Barré-Boulet, Alex 759 258 $759 258 $ AD, AG UFA - 1

1 sept. 2020 à 16 h 13

GMs

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I laugh when I saw the Cernak trade, good job

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1 sept. 2020 à 16 h 13

aadoyle

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Overpay for Cernak

Liligren and a 3rd was what people agreed was a fair trade

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1 sept. 2020 à 16 h 15

aadoyle

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Quoting: GMs

I laugh when I saw the Cernak trade, good job

I know I would pay that for a significantly better dman (Liligren and a 3rd is cernaks value)

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1 sept. 2020 à 16 h 17

saysthemachine

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I do that deal for Sergachev 10 times out of 10.

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1 sept. 2020 à 16 h 17

palhal

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Rangers and Leafs would have make further deletions in the lineup to be cap compliant with these trades. Few teams have the cap to take on other high teams high priced RFAs, so I don't think the players "trade" value is the same as the "on ice" value.
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1 sept. 2020 à 16 h 19

palhal

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Quoting: aadoyle

I know I would pay that for a significantly better dman (Liligren and a 3rd is cernaks value)

What is Cernak's contract? Leafs may not be able to afford him. I would prefer to sign DeMelo cheaper and keep Liljegren and the pick

1 sept. 2020 à 16 h 19

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Quoting: saysthemachine

I do that deal for Sergachev 10 times out of 10.

Sergachev will get an offer sheet above 6.4 probably..... NYR are going to be an amazing team this year, those are the most valuable picks. Habs should gun for him.

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1 sept. 2020 à 16 h 21

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Quoting: Steve_321

Sergachev will get an offer sheet above 6.4 probably..... NYR are going to be an amazing team this year, those are the most valuable picks. Habs should gun for him.

*not the most valuable

1 sept. 2020 à 16 h 24

BorisBagel

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Tampa adds Barré-Boulet and a 2nd, Habs add Poehling and a 5th.

1 sept. 2020 à 16 h 26

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Couldn’t the Leafs just offer sheet him and not give up as much?

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1 sept. 2020 à 16 h 26

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So if Capfriendly can figure this out, why won't the NHL create a cap that is NET of taxes? It's insane, on $1M, a Nashville player keep $622k and a Montreal player keeps $485k. That's nearly 14% difference. How are any Canadian teams ever supposed to compete for top talent in its prime? If you're talking about Taylor Hall and roughly $10M/year, that's $900k per season that he leaves on the table by coming to Canada. That's a heckuva disincentive.

Given that the majority of the NHL audience is still in Canada and a Canadian team hasn't won the Stanley Cup since 1993, it might be time for Bettman and Daly to take a serious look at this.

1 sept. 2020 à 16 h 34

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I'd rather not give up 9OA

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1 sept. 2020 à 16 h 36

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Quoting: aadoyle

Overpay for Cernak

Liligren and a 3rd was what people agreed was a fair trade

Your offer is what Leafs fans want. He is worth a first and a prospect.

1 sept. 2020 à 16 h 38

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Quoting: palhal

What is Cernak's contract? Leafs may not be able to afford him. I would prefer to sign DeMelo cheaper and keep Liljegren and the pick

RFA, here people assume he is worth Carlo contract 3 million. Offer sheets I have seen much higher.

1 sept. 2020 à 16 h 39

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Modifié 1 sept. 2020 à 16 h 44

Quoting: palhal

What is Cernak's contract? Leafs may not be able to afford him. I would prefer to sign DeMelo cheaper and keep Liljegren and the pick

Cernak i see either taking (3 for 2, 3.5 for 3 or pesce deal 4 for 5).

So because Kapenan was moved we can afford him but Johnsson will just have to be moved.

1 sept. 2020 à 16 h 40

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Quoting: jasalex

Your offer is what Leafs fans want. He is worth a first and a prospect.

No he really aint lul. A 1st and a prospect if an overpayment for him\

We will just offersheet him if thats the asking price cause tampa cant afford him, Sergechev, and Cirelli.

1 sept. 2020 à 16 h 40

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Quoting: HabsRafiki

I don't like the offside challenge but it is the rules. When it comes to endorsement money if you are in Toronto, Montreal, NY you will make a lot more then here in Tampa.

1 sept. 2020 à 16 h 40

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Quoting: redwingsfan04

Couldn’t the Leafs just offer sheet him and not give up as much?

yep 4 mill and Tampa be packing his bags. They got foote coming up and Sergechev and Cirelli to extend. I see offersheets in there future.

1 sept. 2020 à 16 h 42

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Quoting: aadoyle

yep 4 mill and Tampa be packing his bags

They'd take just a second-rounder for him? Because that's what $4M would get them on an offer sheet.

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1 sept. 2020 à 16 h 43

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Quoting: benjgc

They'd take just a second-rounder for him? Because that's what $4M would get them on an offer sheet.

exactly, why would we overpay for him when Dubas can just offersheet him and only have to pay a 2021 2nd for him

1 sept. 2020 à 16 h 52

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Quoting: palhal

They'll have time to make their caps work out before the season starts. I'm not worried about that aspect of it. We have a ton of places we can save money. Sergachev would be ideal for us.

With that said, I don't think we go after him in an offer sheet if at all.

1 sept. 2020 à 16 h 57

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palhal

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Quoting: jasalex

I don't like the offside challenge but it is the rules. When it comes to endorsement money if you are in Toronto, Montreal, NY you will make a lot more then here in Tampa.

CapFriendly just posts personal tax rates. Really PTR are kinda meaningless. In Canada, salaries can be incorporated and income for "entertainers" can be spread out over years. Also in Canada, taxes are based on residency not where you earned the income.
We never hear of NBA or MLB players complain about taxes in Canada...but for CapFriendly posters it seems to be a big deal.

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1 sept. 2020 à 17 h 31

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Quoting: aadoyle

exactly, why would we overpay for him when Dubas can just offersheet him and only have to pay a 2021 2nd for him

then TB matches and then trades him for a higher value.

1 sept. 2020 à 17 h 35

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Quoting: jasalex

then TB matches and then trades him for a higher value.

If Tampa matched the offersheet they cannot trade cernak. Its in the rules.

1 sept. 2020 à 17 h 37

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Quoting: jasalex

I don't like the offside challenge but it is the rules. When it comes to endorsement money if you are in Toronto, Montreal, NY you will make a lot more then here in Tampa.

I don't believe that is the case. Hockey players don't sell cars anymore.

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