MTL thinks they have thier future centers for a competing team with Suzuki and Kotkaniemi with Danault as the defensive 3C, right now this is an overpay for JK but they still say no.

Precisely

I completely get this and don’t disagree. Question: why is it always Domi getting shopped around and not Kotkaniemi?

Huge overpayment, but if Montreal wants one of our D and I'm Guerin, I tell them Suzuki or KK or no dice. I think they'll hang onto both

Because what Habs fans don't like to admit is that Domi looks better on the wing and he turns the puck over so much. I mean seriously I've watched about 20 games scouting Domi now and I see him turn the puck over and create good scoring chances for the other team like 2-3 times per game. He's very skilled, but he doesn't have great decision making to know how to harness that skill consistently.

I think every team associated with these outlandish Domi trades proposed by MTL fans feel the same way.

While I agree this is a huge overpayment now...in 5 years Brodin and Dumba are in their 30s while Kotkaniemi is just entering his prime...and the (then) 25 year search for a bonafide #1 center might finally be over for the Wild.

For the record Domi had 42 takeaways and 64 give aways in 71 games this season. He does turn the puck over but he's not horrible and he gets it back.

The Wild already got rid of the other team’s best puck-moving defenseman when they traded Zucker. I’m hoping they never replace him...

https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/z/zuckeja01-advanced.html

Zucker had more take aways than give aways every year for the past 6 years.
And he was hardly a turn over machine.

I'm not sure what you are talking about.

Your exaggerating like big time or in those 20 games you watched he accumulated all 64 of his giveaways this year. In fact his total giveaways by year are year 1 41 GV in 81 GP, year 2 36 GV in 59 GP, year 3 62 GV in 82 GP, year 4 70 GV in 82 GP and year 5 64 GV in 71 GP. And before you say well that is a significant amount of giveaways per year here are Crosby's over the last 5 years. Year 1 47 GV in 80 GP, year 2 70 GV in 75 GO, year 3 76 GV in 82 GP, year 4 67 GV in 79 GO and year 5 25 GV in 41 GP. Don't get me wrong this is not a comparison of skill levels just showing you that Domi is not the turn over machine you make him out to be. The numbers don't lie! Dont believe me here's the links.

Domi - https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/d/domima01.html

Crosby - https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/c/crosbsi01.html

"Domi looks better on the wing"... absolutely not. Domi doesn't skate when he plays wing.

"Domi doesn't have the decision making"... "Creates chances for the other team" ... absolutely yes. Thats the issue with Domi, if he was a consisten player he'd be a 70 pt guy every year, he's a hot and cold guy. He is still a 50 to 70 pt guy.

Kotkaniemi has way more potential than Domi, no habs fan would ever say trade Kotkaniemi and keep Domi.

Kotkaniemi for Kaprizov

No

Thats what it would take

Still no from Habs, trading KK would weaken our team too much and in 2-3 years we will have a top 2 combo like the pens Crosby and Malkin. The Habs have been searching too long for a 1C no way they trade KK for a winger now.

Kotkaniemi has a floor of a big bodied 50+ point center that can play a 200 foot game, his ceiling is potential Barkov like, you dont trade that until you know where on that spectrum he falls.

You know what Domi is. He is a top 6, 50 point player who can play center and prefers to play center but can play wing depending on the teams needs. That's the one you trade. Take the risk in what Kotkaniemi will be and trade the known asset.

MTL also knows thier real core moving forward is Kotkaniemi, Suzuki and hopefully Caufield and Romanov but you dont know about those 2 yet. Either way, they're all 20 or younger, you dont trade anybody the young guys when you have the older player that isnt likely to be part of that core.

We have a 1C in Suzuki, but ok

Disagree about him being worse on the wing, but that's just my opinion. Agree to disagree

You do know that giveaway and takeaway stats aren't very accurate, right? That's because they're a little subjective and it's harder to quantify them to a normalized metric. I saw him turn the puck over a **** ton every game.

LMAO now your argument is that the stats the that disprove your claim are subjective. Your bias is showing! Claiming he is a turnover machine then having absolutely no supporting stats, while possession matrices (54.3, 51.2, 54.6, 55.8 and 58.5) and Giveaway stats all disprove your "eye test" proves that you have no clue what you are talking about.

OK bud. Just giving my opinion, but thanks for saying my opinion is wrong.

The stats prove you are wrong, you CLAIM that Domi is a turnover machine, you say he makes bad decisions with the puck but you can't prove it cause all of the stats prove otherwise. When called out you say the stats are subjective instead of admitting your bias. Stats prove you are wrong admit it and move on.

Why would MTL ever trade Kotkaniemi. That would be so dumb. That KK for KK trade is even dumber for MTL.

I’m talking a out the 2-3 breakout passes he makes every game for the opposition when his shot attempts sail high and wide... This doesn’t show up in any fancy stats, but it was a very common occurrence with Zucker and he drove me completely nuts going do!