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Seth Jones

Créé par: Leafs_and_Sens_Fan
Date de création initiale: aoû 4, 2020
Publié: 5 aoû à 14 h 06
Équipe: 2020-21 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Explications
Does this trade make Toronto a better team if CBJ accepted?

Some guys would need to be moved out in 2 years in order to re-sign Rielly and Jones as well as Sandin and Kapanen.
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
Mikheyev, Ilya42 800 000 $
Gauthier, Frédérik2725 000 $
Dermott, Travis32 500 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
Spezza, Jason2725 000 $
Transactions
TOR
  1. Jones, Seth
CBJ
  1. Marner, Mitchell
Rachats de contrats
  • Mikhail Grabovski: 0 $
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Phil Kessel: 1 200 000 $ (15%)
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2020
TOR
TOR
VGK
VGK
TOR
CAR
COL
SJS
STL
WPG
2021
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2281 500 000 $79 387 200 $0 $0 $2 112 800 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
TOR
Johnsson, Andreas
3 400 000 $
AG
UFA - 3
TOR
Matthews, Auston
11 634 000 $
C
UFA - 4
TOR
Hyman, Zach
2 250 000 $
AG, AD
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
2 800 000 $
AG, AD
RFA
TOR
Tavares, John
11 000 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 5
TOR
Nylander, William
6 962 366 $
AD, AG
UFA - 4
TOR
Robertson, Nicholas
821 667 $
AG
RFA - 3
TOR
Kerfoot, Alexander
3 500 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 3
TOR
Kapanen, Kasperi
3 200 000 $
AD
RFA - 2
TOR
Barabanov, Alexander
925 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
TOR
Engvall, Pierre
1 250 000 $
AG, C
RFA - 2
TOR
Spezza, Jason
725 000 $
C, AD
UFA
TOR
Gauthier, Frédérik
725 000 $
C
RFA
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
5 000 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 2
CBJ
Jones, Seth
5 400 000 $
DD
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
5 000 000 $
G
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
5 625 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 4
TOR
Holl, Justin
2 000 000 $
DD
NTC
UFA - 3
TOR
Campbell, Jack
1 650 000 $
G
UFA - 2
TOR
Sandin, Rasmus
894 167 $
DG
RFA - 2
TOR
Dermott, Travis
2 500 000 $
DG
RFA
TOR
Lehtonen, Mikko
925 000 $
DG
UFA - 1

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5 aoû à 14 h 07
#1
HadesOfSocal
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I think Columbus needs Jones more than they need Marner
5 aoû à 14 h 08
#2
UnBiased
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Quoting: HadesOfSoCal
I think Columbus needs Jones more than they need Marner


True, but it's a fair trade, a real hockey trade.
5 aoû à 14 h 10
#3
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Quoting: HadesOfSoCal
I think Columbus needs Jones more than they need Marner


Read description.

Also I definitely think CBJ could use some help on offence. Looking at the series so far I think even Johnsson could help them a lot. Their forward group is pretty bad and they have no playmaker on the power play.
5 aoû à 14 h 12
#4
Bcarlo25
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Of course it makes them better. It makes them worlds better.
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5 aoû à 14 h 12
#5
Future pilot
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
Of course it makes them better. It makes them worlds better.


Too bad Columbus rejects
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5 aoû à 14 h 14
#6
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Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
Too bad Columbus rejects


I mean if definitely improves the defense but the offence is no longer elite. It's just good.
5 aoû à 14 h 49
#7
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Jones isn’t going anywhere.
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5 aoû à 14 h 50
#8
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Quoting: Leafs_and_Sens_Fan
I mean if definitely improves the defense but the offence is no longer elite. It's just good.


offence is still pretty elite. Kapanen should be in top 6 though, I think he'd take a step forward. Robertson will take another huge step forward - not even Marner or Nylander played as 18 year old in the NHL. Or move Johnsson, and pay Dermott what he deserves (about 1 mil less on a shorter deal) and go get a guy like Toffoli in FA. Offence would hardly miss a beat- not because Marner doesn't make a huge impact, but rather because they have guys ready to take steps forward
5 aoû à 14 h 58
#9
arky
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Yes it makes Leafs better but here is the question, in Torts system does Marner make Columbus better. No.
5 aoû à 15 h 25
#10
get off my lawn...
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Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
Too bad Columbus rejects


5 years of marner for two years of Jones. Unless they are positive he wants to re sign they would be foolish to not consider this trade.
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5 aoû à 15 h 47
#11
LongtimeLeafsufferer
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Quoting: Jamiepo
5 years of marner for two years of Jones. Unless they are positive he wants to re sign they would be foolish to not consider this trade.


I thought this fascination with Jones would have given a rest for at least a day or two. His boneheaded foray into the Leafs zone, led to the breakaway by Tavares at the Leafs second goal. But for some reason, Jones seems to be the answer to all the Leafs problems by so many.
5 aoû à 16 h 04
#12
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i think it's a fair trade...but dont see either team making it....if we are trading with CBJ i'd even add to it and send Johnsson over for Anderson
5 aoû à 16 h 26
#13
Jah1722
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Quoting: palhal
I thought this fascination with Jones would have given a rest for at least a day or two. His boneheaded foray into the Leafs zone, led to the breakaway by Tavares at the Leafs second goal. But for some reason, Jones seems to be the answer to all the Leafs problems by so many.


Lol blaming Jones because Werenski didn’t get a shot off.
5 aoû à 16 h 41
#14
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Its a fair trade but columbus needs jones more than marner.
5 aoû à 17 h 08
#15
get off my lawn...
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Quoting: Jah1722
Lol blaming Jones because Werenski didn’t get a shot off.


Cbj had 5 players below the dots If that were a leaf Dman going the wrong way then turning around and tripping over a player you can be certain there would be no excuse. But since it’s jones.... must be someone else’s fault.
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5 aoû à 17 h 28
#16
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Quoting: leafs101
offence is still pretty elite. Kapanen should be in top 6 though, I think he'd take a step forward. Robertson will take another huge step forward - not even Marner or Nylander played as 18 year old in the NHL. Or move Johnsson, and pay Dermott what he deserves (about 1 mil less on a shorter deal) and go get a guy like Toffoli in FA. Offence would hardly miss a beat- not because Marner doesn't make a huge impact, but rather because they have guys ready to take steps forward


We can't afford Toffoli if we want to re-sign Andersen and Hyman. He would bring us straight up to the salary cap.

Just leaving the team like this we can trade Johnsson in a year when his value goes back up and then we can re-sign Andersen and Hyman or let one of them walk and re-sign Rielly and Jones in 2 years.
5 aoû à 17 h 37
#17
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The answer continues to always be "no", by the way.
5 aoû à 19 h 33
#18
Jah1722
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Quoting: Jamiepo
Cbj had 5 players below the dots If that were a leaf Dman going the wrong way then turning around and tripping over a player you can be certain there would be no excuse. But since it’s jones.... must be someone else’s fault.


So if there’s 5 CBJs below the dots what is JT doing? He must be lazy on the back check. See I can do the same thing, calling out others when Werenski doesn’t get a shot off. Let’s put the blame where it goes and that’s solely on Werenski.
5 aoû à 20 h 27
#19
get off my lawn...
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Quoting: Jah1722
So if there’s 5 CBJs below the dots what is JT doing? He must be lazy on the back check. See I can do the same thing, calling out others when Werenski doesn’t get a shot off. Let’s put the blame where it goes and that’s solely on Werenski.


Did you watch the game? Even if he gets the shot on net there’s a god chance the rebound could spring someone. While Tavares was leaving on a breakaway jones was laying down on his stomach.

It was poor defensive coverage, werenski was going to the net with the puck in traffic and jones didn’t even think once about defence.

Funny that you want to get on tavares who took one look at the situation and turned it into a goal but the guy who’s job it is to stop him from streaking in gets a free pass.
5 aoû à 20 h 53
#20
Jah1722
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Quoting: Jamiepo
Did you watch the game? Even if he gets the shot on net there’s a god chance the rebound could spring someone. While Tavares was leaving on a breakaway jones was laying down on his stomach.

It was poor defensive coverage, werenski was going to the net with the puck in traffic and jones didn’t even think once about defence.

Funny that you want to get on tavares who took one look at the situation and turned it into a goal but the guy who’s job it is to stop him from streaking in gets a free pass.


Werenski beat the “traffic” and was free when he let the puck roll off his stick.
5 aoû à 20 h 56
#21
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Toronto would need to add. Jones is a much better defenseman than Marner is a winger.
5 aoû à 21 h 12
#22
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Quoting: Windjammer
Toronto would need to add. Jones is a much better defenseman than Marner is a winger.


Marner is a top 5 winger in the league. Jones is a top 5 RHD in the league.

I don't see why any team would have to add here.
5 aoû à 21 h 18
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Quoting: Leafs_and_Sens_Fan
We can't afford Toffoli if we want to re-sign Andersen and Hyman. He would bring us straight up to the salary cap.

Just leaving the team like this we can trade Johnsson in a year when his value goes back up and then we can re-sign Andersen and Hyman or let one of them walk and re-sign Rielly and Jones in 2 years.


ok then don't sign toffoli, offence is still elite
5 aoû à 21 h 19
#24
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Quoting: Leafs_and_Sens_Fan
Marner is a top 5 winger in the league. Jones is a top 5 RHD in the league.

I don't see why any team would have to add here.

RHD's are way more valuable than wingers from a positional standpoint, that's why. There are countless high end wingers, but only a handful of high end RHD's. Basic supply and demand applying to hockey's trade market. Then there's also the perspective that defensemen make a larger impact on the game than wingers.
5 aoû à 21 h 22
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Quoting: Leafs_and_Sens_Fan
Marner is a top 5 winger in the league. Jones is a top 5 RHD in the league.

I don't see why any team would have to add here.


Toronto would need to add because Jones plays a much more important position and is better at it than Marner is at being a winger, Jones is a rare RHD and Marner has one of the worst contracts in the league.
 
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