Okay but one guy is signed for 5 more years and the other guy is signed for 2 more years before potentially walking.

one guy is a bit overpaid and one is a lot underpaid.

Seth Jones was out of position! He was laying on his stomach below the dots. How in the hell can you possibly believe lying on your stomach deep in the offensive zone is good defensive positioning while your partner is rushing?

I’m not going to argue with you anymore but c’mon man. Jones was practicing his breast stroke in no man’s land. Even if werenski gets the shot on net unless he scores it’s going on a B-way the other way because there was NO ONE, not one single bluejacket thinking about covering.

Yeah that was a very bad play. But it's not like Marner doesn't make his fair share of bad plays too.

It’s also not a good play to be free of “traffic” with no one between you and Andersen and have the puck go towards the blue line.

He lost the handle it’s not like he didn’t just make a big move. So is that the leafs key to success? Every time someone fans on a puck mid handles or misses the net we just go the other way and score?

No doubt. They’re both human and even the best players make bad reads or clumsy mistakes.

... just don’t ever accuse jones of being human on cap friendly.

Just watched it again make sure I saw what I did. Jones is 4th guy into zone making it a 4 on 3. 2 Leafs follow Jenner below the dots while Werenski picks up the puck with Jones trailing him and Foudy to his right. Foudy is wide open for a one timer and Jones best his check up the middle. So once again I ask how is it not Werenski’s fault for not getting a puck on net but Jones’ for creating an odd man rush?

Because werenski is rushing the puck and jones, believe it or not is his “DEFENSE” partner. I get that they are given the green light to rush together at times but this one bit them in the ass.

Werenski is rushing the puck, he needs to be covered up. There was a player coming in with jones slightly trailing him but I can’t remember who. One of the two needs to realize that there are three guys below the dots and making it 4 then 5 and completely forgetting about defence is well, stupid.

Just as much blame on the last forward coming in but jones is a Dman. He picked a bad time to pinch. If he didn’t Tavares doesn’t score.

The result makes it a bad time to pinch because Werenski made a bad play. If he moves the puck to Foudy they get a grade A scoring chance. If he drops it to Jones, he’s got a couple feet on the back checker, they get a grade A chance. If Werenski gets his shot off they get a grade A chance. Instead JT gets a breakaway.

Grade A chances aside, 5 guys playing winger means you better bury it or it’s going in your net.

Werenski made a mistake, he looked like he got off balance a bit or maybe got loose with the puck when he looked up. That stuff happens all the time.

Jones made a poor decision. Werenski can miss or make that shot and the result might have still been the same, even a pass for a one timer. If Andersen saves it there is atleast a 50/50 chance the leafs recover it.

The bottom line is 5 guys were below the dots all looking at the leafs net. Jones made a poor decision to pinch. Had he shoulder checked on the way in he would have noticed it and maybe held back. Hockey 101: when your partner rushes you make sure he’s covered.

You could tell jones knew he ****ed up as soon as the puck went the other way. Hence the desperate turn directly into a leafs player that sent him sprawling.

Yep. You should never have 2 guys pinching at the same time unless your down a goal with 30 seconds to play.

But if Werenski makes the play there and CBJ scores you’re not saying anything about any one other than the 2 TML that follow Jenner below the goal line turning a 4 on 3 into a 3 on 1.

Dont know why you're arguing this. Even great players make bad plays...

That was clearly a bad play... it led to a goal.

I didn’t even quote jaimepo. I quoted palhal. And it never would have led to a goal if Werenski creates a shot. Which has been my point the whole time.

If werenski makes a better play and if cbj scores.... if if if. They didn’t. They got caught with their pants down.

How about if they score a goal but jones doesn’t pinch so if they don’t score they keep it a one goal game.

He shoots, andersen saves, goes to a leafs player and Tavares still goes on a Bway.

The only way your scenario works out is if the puck ends up in the net to hide the mistake of 5 guys down low completely blowing all defensive responsibilities.

If Andersen doesn't freeze the shot there's a good chance the Leafs get the puck and get a breakaway anyways.

Either way that's obviously not part of the CBJs system. Torts was furious.

There’s zero chance of a breakaway if the shot is on net. Werenski would be on top of Andersen by the time he tried to move it.

And it is part of CBJs system. Jones and Werenski play below the dots a ton.

If the shot is on net there zero chance Andersen plays the puck. Werenski would be on top of him before he could move it.

You're not supposed to have both D below the dots at the same time ever lol.

I'm not saying he catches it and throws it out. If it bounces off his pads and goes away from the net it's all Leafs players around him.

You’re also not supposed to have 2 guys below the same face off dot covering 1 guy but TML had that on the same play. It’s a mini 3 on 1 when Werenski picks up the puck. He didn’t get a shot off and instead mishandled the puck towards the blue line. That’s an awful play.

It’s actually not. The reason Jones ends up on his stomach is because when he turns to retreat there’s a leaf there. Jones has position on his back checker and Werenski has no one between him and Andersen. The only defender still in the play when Werenski gets the puck dives at Werenski and Foudy crashes the net too.

What was Jones doing though? From where he is he's not getting a rebound... he's literally doing nothing where he is.

Nobody said the Leafs had good defense lol. They make a tonne of mistakes... What's that got to do with Seth Jones?