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Evgeni Malkin vs Patrice Bergeron

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Date de création initiale: 24 juin 2020
Publié: 24 juin 2020
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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Today, I want to compare 2 of the best centers of the salary cap era.

Over their careers, Malkin has scored 416 goals & 1076 points in 907 career regular season games (point per game of 1.19). In the playoffs, he has 63 goals and 168 points in 162 games (point per game of 1.03). He has won 3 cups, a Hart, 2 scoring titles, a Conn Smythe, a Lindsey & a Calder.

Patrice Bergeron has a 352 goals and 869 points in 1089 regular season games (PPG average of 0.7979). In the playoffs, he has 40 goals & 103 points in 136 games (PPG of 0.7576). He has won 4 Selke trophies.

In terms of defensive play, Malkin’s expected goals against ranks in the 33rd percentile with a career defensive point share of 21.4. Bergeron’s highest ranks in the 94th percentile and has a career defensive point share of 30.5.

Personally, I’d say Malkin has been the better player. Even though Bergeron is far superior defensively, I feel Malkin’s skill level & ability to take over games single handedly is too hard to ignore.
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2081 500 000 $104 005 000 $0 $1 300 000 $-22 505 000 $

Formation

Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh
Guentzel, Jake
4 500 000 $4 500 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 5
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Crosby, Sidney
8 700 000 $8 700 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 6
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Malkin, Evgeni
9 500 000 $9 500 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 3
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Marchand, Brad
6 125 000 $6 125 000 $
AG
NMC
UFA - 6
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Bergeron, Patrice
6 875 000 $6 875 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 3
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Pastrnak, David
6 666 667 $6 666 667 $
AD
UFA - 4
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Zucker, Jason
5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
AG, AD
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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Krejci, David
7 250 000 $7 250 000 $
C
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh
Rust, Bryan
3 500 000 $3 500 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 3
Logo de Bruins de Boston
DeBrusk, Jake
863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance450 000 $$450K)
AD, AG
UFA - 1
Logo de Bruins de Boston
Coyle, Charlie
3 200 000 $3 200 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh
Hörnqvist, Patric
5 300 000 $5 300 000 $
AD
NTC
UFA - 4
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh
Dumoulin, Brian
4 100 000 $4 100 000 $
DG
M-NTC
UFA - 4
Logo de Bruins de Boston
McAvoy, Charlie
4 900 000 $4 900 000 $
DD
UFA - 3
Logo de Bruins de Boston
Rask, Tuukka
7 000 000 $7 000 000 $
G
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh
Letang, Kris
7 250 000 $7 250 000 $
DD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 3
Logo de Bruins de Boston
Carlo, Brandon
2 850 000 $2 850 000 $
DD
UFA - 2
Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh
Murray, Matt
3 750 000 $3 750 000 $
G
UFA - 1
Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh
Marino, John
925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
DD
UFA - 2
Logo de Bruins de Boston
Krug, Torey
5 250 000 $5 250 000 $
DG
M-NTC
UFA - 1

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24 juin 2020 à 14 h 35
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Quoting: bhavikp27
homer lol when you think Guentzel is better than Marchand tears of joy


Guentzel never had to lick someone's face.....so he automatically wins that debate.
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Quoting: mhockey91
Notice how everyone is saying malkin except bruins fans


Bruins fan, ide take malkin over bergy. I truly wonder how good bergeron would have fully been had he not had so many concussions early on and this whole groin issue he is currently dealing with. hes got an offensive game that is severely underrated due mostly to playing under claude.
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Quoting: mhockey91
Notice how everyone is saying malkin except bruins fans


haha the one guy was bringing up WJ WC gold...? like who the fk cares he played for Canada.... if he played for Germany I would be impressed but come on
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Quoting: bhavikp27
homer lol when you think Guentzel is better than Marchand tears of joy


woof Marchand is easily top 3 RW in the NHL....I might have even had him #1 before Panarin went off this year

Panarin
Marchand
Ovechkin

imo
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Quoting: Capitalfail67
the majority of that list isnon NHL fuctions that he was on Team Canada.....

what I see is

Bergeron
1 Cup and 4 Selkes

Malkin

Stanley Cup champion 2009, 2016, 2017
Conn Smythe Trophy 2009
Hart Memorial Trophy 2012
Art Ross Trophy 2009, 2012
Ted Lindsay Award 2012
Calder Memorial Trophy 2007

yeah im taking Malkin….sorry idgaf about WC WJ or anything along those lines......its just dumb

the comparison Elite offensive player vs 2 way center

My original post on this thread was (#6) =
Malkin has the NHL "chops" won but Bergy is the INTL (and some NHL too) "Zen-Master"
* Malkin's better offensively but I voted Bergy for the more complete game and leadership.

I quoted the "resume list" you shat-on to show Bergeron vs Couturier because you went off topic; not me!
So stay on message Cappy. And when you do those kinda things, like focus and show aptitude, you don't have to make dumb comments!
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4 team awards hockey is a team sport.


How many you got?
24 juin 2020 à 14 h 46
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How many you got?


5
24 juin 2020 à 14 h 47
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Quoting: Capitalfail67
the majority of that list isnon NHL fuctions that he was on Team Canada.....

what I see is

Bergeron
1 Cup and 4 Selkes

Malkin

Stanley Cup champion 2009, 2016, 2017
Conn Smythe Trophy 2009
Hart Memorial Trophy 2012
Art Ross Trophy 2009, 2012
Ted Lindsay Award 2012
Calder Memorial Trophy 2007

yeah im taking Malkin….sorry idgaf about WC WJ or anything along those lines......its just dumb

the comparison Elite offensive player vs 2 way center


Yeah if we're making comparisons based on resume, Kane is a lot closer to Malkin than Bergeron is. Kane has a Calder, Conn Smythe, Hart, Pearson, Art Ross, and has been an All Star Captain several times. I'd still pick Malkin for sure, that whole center business, but Kane does have the most points in the decade so while the PPG may not be there, being able to consistently stay on the ice has to count for something as well
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Quoting: pharrow
cough cough homer cough cough

This isn't even close the answer is Malkin.


Funny how i explained my reasoning with logic and no biased, and you still called me biased. I guess that just proves my point that people will literally call anyone biased that they disagree with.
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Quoting: Sabres923
5

As a Sabre there ain't no CUPS in there (5); except the "strap-on" kind!
Happy 50th...
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Quoting: bhavikp27
homer lol when you think Guentzel is better than Marchand tears of joy


Lol look at my previous comment happy

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Bergeron's resume is miles ahead of SC; country miles.
WJ - GOLD
WC - GOLD
OLY - GOLD x 2
"Trip Au-CLUB Member"
WORLD's - GOLD
STANLEY CUP
SELKE's x 4 and counting?
KING CLANCY...


What is wrong with these fans lololol
24 juin 2020 à 14 h 50
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I man would you rather build a team around a McDavid or a couturier ? answer seems pretty obvious


Cool, thats a horrid comparison.
"Would you rather build a team around Ovi or John Scott, pretty obvious"
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Quoting: McGruff
My original post on this thread was (#6) =
Malkin has the NHL "chops" won but Bergy is the INTL (and some NHL too) "Zen-Master"
* Malkin's better offensively but I voted Bergy for the more complete game and leadership.

I quoted the "resume list" you shat-on to show Bergeron vs Couturier because you went off topic; not me!
So stay on message Cappy. And when you do those kinda things, like focus and show aptitude, you don't have to make dumb comments!
Cheers


my point was accurate..... I was just laughing at you for think anyone actually give a crap about WC Wj gold..." like hey sweet you won gold with Canada"

again it was a type of player comparison…. Bergeron isn't in malkins class the fact people think so is funny to me.
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Quoting: Silkysmooth42
Cool, thats a horrid comparison.
"Would you rather build a team around Ovi or John Scott, pretty obvious"


lmfao... id rather build my team around a superstar....generational talent. not the other guy. you be be literal and sarcastic but the point is all the same

Bergeron is really good but Malkin is Elite
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lmfao... id rather build my team around a superstar not a 2 way center.


Why not both?

Bergy is a superstar two-way center lol
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Bergeron but it's very difficult to compare


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POOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONGGGGGGGGGGGGGG


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Quoting: Silkysmooth42
Why not both?

Bergy is a superstar two-way center lol


Bergeron is really good but Malkin is Elite. impossible to compare them bc the games are so different.... ( McDavid couturier ) comparison. like I said before I would take the generational talent every time
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Bergeron is really good but Malkin is Elite. impossible to compare them bc the games are so different.... ( McDavid couturier ) comparison. like I said before I would take the generational talent every time


this dude thinks winning gold on team canada means something.
Like F, how stacked was that roster compared to all the other teams playing. It's not even a fair competition. Canada should be winning gold every damn year. If they don't it's total failure. No other team has that kind of depth and never has.
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this dude thinks winning gold on team canada means something.
Like F, how stacked was that roster compared to all the other teams playing. It's not even a fair competition. Canada should be winning gold every damn year. If they don't it's total failure. No other team has that kind of depth and never has.


people are insulted but come on Malkin is generational. he should be in that GOD tier of NHL players. bc Bergeron isn't as good as him doesn't mean hes not good but to start my franchise im not picking a shutdown forward… im taking the guy that can score 100 points and carry the team.
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Quoting: Capitalfail67
the fact people are picking Bergeron is just proof Malkin might be the most underrated player his entire era..... Crosby shadow is massive.

unpopular but completely accurate take …...players better than or equal to Malkin in the last 15 years.

Crosby
Ovechkin
Mcdavid


I agree 100% with this list. Mcdavid has a chance to pass both but not yet
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Quoting: pharrow
logic and reasoning?
Are you high?
At no point has Bergeron ever been the better player. Ever.


June 15, 2011 he was 110% better!
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What I don't think has been mentioned yet is line mates...
Geno has gotten stuck with dudes like Ruslan Fedetenko(no offense)...Sid has first dibs on wingers (Guentzel) except when hurt. As much as Geno elevates his game when Sid is out, he is greatly helped by getting better wingers and playing in front of Letang. Geno has rarely had good wingers. Neal and Kessel are the only ones that jump off the page, not counting the limited games with Guentzel this year.
Bergeron gets "the perfection line" with Marchand (a top-5 LW in hockey). BTW at this point he's(Marchand) above guentzel but it's close and not for long. Pastrnak is an elite goal scorer. bergeron gets top line minutes and some of the best wingers in hockey. Rust and Marleau/mccann/zucker/whoever plays LW are nice but they're not even close to marchand/pastrnak level. Geno does incredible with little help. Bergeron does a lot but less than Geno with as much help as one can get.
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Quoting: McGruff
June 15, 2011 he was 110% better!


Quoting: mhockey91
I agree 100% with this list. Mcdavid has a chance to pass both but not yet


Quoting: Capitalfail67
people are insulted but come on Malkin is generational. he should be in that GOD tier of NHL players. bc Bergeron isn't as good as him doesn't mean hes not good but to start my franchise im not picking a shutdown forward… im taking the guy that can score 100 points and carry the team.


Quoting: pharrow
this dude thinks winning gold on team canada means something.
Like F, how stacked was that roster compared to all the other teams playing. It's not even a fair competition. Canada should be winning gold every damn year. If they don't it's total failure. No other team has that kind of depth and never has.


Quoting: Silkysmooth42
Why not both?

Bergy is a superstar two-way center lol


Bergeron is a really good two way centre. That's not disputed. He wins the Selke now more on reputation than performance. By analytics others should get more recognition. What Bergeron isn't is an elite offensive talent. Geno was rated the #3 C in the NHL by a data scientist, largely due to his ELITE offensive abilities. He rediscovered himself away from "Phil the Kill(er of Geno's ability to play sound defensive hockey)" this year and had some of the best offensive numbers in the league. If he didn't get hurt, he would have been at the top of the league in PTS.
--also read previous post...
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Geno has always been the #2 C--one of the best #2 C in history. Like what 1/2 punch is better than Sid/Geno? Mario/Francis/Trottier? Gretzky/Messier? That's all that comes top of mind. Anyone got a better 1/2 punch?
McDavid/Draisaitl looks like it'll be great for a while but they have a long way to go to even be in the same conversation as Sid/Geno...
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