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Instead of offer sheeting Barzal

Créé par: TanSor
Date de création initiale: mar 10, 2020
Publié: Mar 10 at 7:09 pm
Équipe: 2020-21 Wild du Minnesota
Explications
... just trade for him instead if he's truly unhappy about Trotz's coaching style.
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LISTE DE RÉSERVEANNÉESCAP HIT
Kaprizov, Kirill2925 000 $
RFAANNÉESCAP HIT
Kunin, Luke43 400 000 $
Greenway, Jordan21 900 000 $
Sturm, Nico2900 000 $
Menell, Brennan2900 000 $
Belpedio, Louis2900 000 $
Kähkönen, Kaapo2900 000 $
Robson, Mat2900 000 $
Barzal, Mathew69 000 000 $
UFAANNÉESCAP HIT
Soucy, Carson32 800 000 $
Transactions
MIN
  1. Barzal, Mathew [Droits de RFA]
NYI
  1. Brodin, Jonas
  2. Boldy, Matthew [Liste de réserve]
  3. Beckman, Adam [Liste de réserve]
  4. 2020 1e round pick (MIN)
Détails additionnels:
A top pairing D along with two of the Wild's top prospects (Beckman is leading the WHL in scoring, outscoring top pick Dylan Cozens) along with potentially a top 10 pick sounds a lot better than two firsts, a 2nd, and a 3rd to me.
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2020
PIT
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
2021
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
2022
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
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MIN
Kaprizov, Kirill
925 000 $
AG, AD
RFA
Barzal, Mathew
9 000 000 $
C
RFA
MIN
Fiala, Kevin
3 000 000 $
AG
RFA - 1
MIN
Parise, Zach
7 538 461 $
AG
NMC
UFA - 5
MIN
Eriksson Ek, Joel
1 487 500 $
C
RFA - 1
MIN
Kunin, Luke
3 400 000 $
AD, C
RFA
MIN
Donato, Ryan
1 900 000 $
AD, AG, C
RFA - 1
MIN
Staal, Eric
3 250 000 $
C
NTC
UFA - 1
MIN
Zuccarello, Mats
6 000 000 $
AD
NMC
UFA - 4
MIN
Greenway, Jordan
1 900 000 $
AG
RFA
MIN
Sturm, Nico
900 000 $
C
RFA
MIN
Foligno, Marcus
2 875 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
MIN
Suter, Ryan
7 538 461 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 5
MIN
Spurgeon, Jared
7 575 000 $
DD
NMC
UFA - 7
MIN
Stalock, Alex
785 000 $
G
UFA - 2
MIN
Soucy, Carson
2 800 000 $
D
UFA
MIN
Dumba, Matt
6 000 000 $
DD
UFA - 3
MIN
Kähkönen, Kaapo
900 000 $
G
RFA
MIN
Hunt, Brad
700 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
MIN
Pateryn, Greg
2 250 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
MIN
Dubnyk, Devan
4 333 333 $
G
NTC
UFA - 1
MIN
Rask, Victor
4 000 000 $
C
UFA - 2
MIN
Hartman, Ryan
1 900 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1

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10 mar à 19 h 14
#1
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Isles say NO
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10 mar à 19 h 14
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I just don't think they say yes no matter what unless you completely outprice them on an offer sheet that gives 4 first-round picks up
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10 mar à 19 h 15
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How does this make the isles better?
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10 mar à 19 h 16
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It would have to be Kaprizov coming the other way. Brodin is in the final year of his contract (and the Isles have enough LD anyway).

Your trade is prob better than that 2 1sts, a 2nd and 3rd OS. But what you're missing there is that it would be immediately matched by NYI. The only way this gets interesting is if it's the 4 1st threshold.
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10 mar à 19 h 21
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Barzal can be unhappy with trotz coaching style (not sure there's any truth to that, right now its just speculation), but he doesn't really have a choice. Isles hold his rights for the next 4 years
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10 mar à 19 h 54
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@tansor you need to consider Islanders needs IMO.

They dont need a D.
I'd think you best exploring a 3 way where Brodin or another D goes to team 3.
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10 mar à 20 h 06
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Sick first line
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10 mar à 20 h 23
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Quoting: Trickster
@tansor you need to consider Islanders needs IMO.

They dont need a D.
I'd think you best exploring a 3 way where Brodin or another D goes to team 3.


I gave them two pretty great prospects here, Beckman is lighting up the WHL. He has far more points than Cozens who is having a great season. Boldy has been on fire the past 15-20 games. Brodin was more of a short-term patch for them but I think you're right that a 3-way trade might make more sense although I'd imagine teams might prefer Dumba since he has term. Do you think the Isles would be looking for a center or a winger?
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10 mar à 20 h 23
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I am thinking something like this :

Islanders =
Boldy
Kaprizov
1st rounder from Wild
Return from team 3

Wild =
Barzal
Dal Colle

3rd team =
Brodin or Dumba
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10 mar à 20 h 25
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Quoting: TanSor
I gave them two pretty great prospects here, Beckman is lighting up the WHL. He has far more points than Cozens who is having a great season. Boldy has been on fire the past 15-20 games. Brodin was more of a short-term patch for them but I think you're right that a 3-way trade might make more sense although I'd imagine teams might prefer Dumba since he has term. Do you think the Isles would be looking for a center or a winger?


Both.
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10 mar à 20 h 25
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Quoting: Trickster
I am thinking something like this :

Islanders =
Boldy
Kaprizov
1st rounder from Wild
Return from team 3

Wild =
Barzal

3rd team =
Brodin or Dumba


The idea would be to keep Kaprizov and play him with Barzal, so I wouldn't be too hot on giving him up (I get it though, takes quality to get quality).
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10 mar à 20 h 27
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Quoting: TanSor
The idea would be to keep Kaprizov and play him with Barzal, so I wouldn't be too hot on giving him up (I get it though, takes quality to get quality).


I really like Barzal but I dont think he hits his next level with Islanders.
He will not excel in Troz system IMO.
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10 mar à 20 h 30
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Quoting: Trickster
I really like Barzal but I dont think he hits his next level with Islanders.
He will not excel in Troz system IMO.


Yep agreed. It's hard to say how he'd perform here with the Wild's coach in question for next season, but according to our beat writer, Guerin has been extremely impressed with Evason and it's possible he hangs onto him. Evason has been giving Fiala pretty much free reign to do his thing and Barzal would likely be able to do the same if Evason is the coach next year.

Kind of crazy that it's even possible guys like Barzal and Eichel could be moved this offseason. I doubt it happens, but the fact it's a possibility is mind-blowing
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10 mar à 20 h 30
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Quoting: Trickster
I am thinking something like this :

Islanders =
Boldy
Kaprizov
1st rounder from Wild
Return from team 3

Wild =
Barzal
Dal Colle

3rd team =
Brodin or Dumba


Yo @Sign_em_up000000

What you think of this? awesome face
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10 mar à 20 h 31
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Quoting: TanSor
Yep agreed. It's hard to say how he'd perform here with the Wild's coach in question for next season, but according to our beat writer, Guerin has been extremely impressed with Evason and it's possible he hangs onto him. Evason has been giving Fiala pretty much free reign to do his thing and Barzal would likely be able to do the same if Evason is the coach next year.

Kind of crazy that it's even possible guys like Barzal and Eichel could be moved this offseason. I doubt it happens, but the fact it's a possibility is mind-blowing


So true.
I am loving Fiala since trade deadline.
10 mar à 20 h 35
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Quoting: Trickster
So true.
I am loving Fiala since trade deadline.


He's honestly been very good since his first 10 games this year, but since about early January he has been the best Wild player I've ever seen play. Yes, better than Gaborik and better than Granlund. Hopefully he and Kaprizov develop chemistry together because those two could be unreal in a year or two
10 mar à 20 h 36
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Quoting: TanSor
He's honestly been very good since his first 10 games this year, but since about early January he has been the best Wild player I've ever seen play. Yes, better than Gaborik and better than Granlund. Hopefully he and Kaprizov develop chemistry together because those two could be unreal in a year or two


What you think of Kunin this season?
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10 mar à 20 h 41
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Quoting: Trickster
What you think of Kunin this season?


I thought he would be a 50+ point player but that hasn't happened. @Tansor was I off on expecting 50 points from Kunin?
10 mar à 20 h 52
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Quoting: Trickster
What you think of Kunin this season?


Quoting: oneX
I thought he would be a 50+ point player but that hasn't happened. @Tansor was I off on expecting 50 points from Kunin?


He's been very good, but I'm honestly not surprised he hasn't been on pace for 50+ points (although he is on pace for 40 which is very good for a 22 year old). Kunin has always been more of a shooter (saw him live at Wisconsin a few times and many times on TV and he was the same way in college) and it's tough to score 50 points being mainly a shooter at 22 years old. He has 15 goals this season but he could easily have over 20, he's had some prime scoring opportunities that have gone high and wide but he's also scored some beauties. Regardless, he's awesome in his own zone and Boudreau and now Evason plays him quite often on the PK.
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10 mar à 20 h 56
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Quoting: TanSor
He's been very good, but I'm honestly not surprised he hasn't been on pace for 50+ points (although he is on pace for 40 which is very good for a 22 year old). Kunin has always been more of a shooter (saw him live at Wisconsin a few times and many times on TV and he was the same way in college) and it's tough to score 50 points being mainly a shooter at 22 years old. He has 15 goals this season but he could easily have over 20, he's had some prime scoring opportunities that have gone high and wide but he's also scored some beauties. Regardless, he's awesome in his own zone and Boudreau and now Evason plays him quite often on the PK.


Is he more than a middle 6 FW?
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10 mar à 20 h 58
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Quoting: TanSor
He's been very good, but I'm honestly not surprised he hasn't been on pace for 50+ points (although he is on pace for 40 which is very good for a 22 year old). Kunin has always been more of a shooter (saw him live at Wisconsin a few times and many times on TV and he was the same way in college) and it's tough to score 50 points being mainly a shooter at 22 years old. He has 15 goals this season but he could easily have over 20, he's had some prime scoring opportunities that have gone high and wide but he's also scored some beauties. Regardless, he's awesome in his own zone and Boudreau and now Evason plays him quite often on the PK.


So then it sounds like he will grow into a 50+ point player. Cool
Btw I think you should go back to your original name.
10 mar à 21 h 04
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Quoting: Trickster
Is he more than a middle 6 FW?


Probably nothing more than a good 2nd liner, but he brings intangibles. I hope he spends his career here.

Quoting: oneX
So then it sounds like he will grow into a 50+ point player. Cool
Btw I think you should go back to your original name.


Likely, I think a 60 point player that can PK and be deployed in big moments is probably his ceiling. Lol, I think people would be very confused if I did
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10 mar à 21 h 06
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Quoting: TanSor
Probably nothing more than a good 2nd liner, but he brings intangibles. I hope he spends his career here.



Likely, I think a 60 point player that can PK and be deployed in big moments is probably his ceiling. Lol, I think people would be very confused if I did


I feel his next contract should be 3 years @ 2.55 million.
10 mar à 21 h 16
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Quoting: Trickster
I feel his next contract should be 3 years @ 2.55 million.


I'd be happy with that, I could also see a similar contract to what Johnsson got last offseason if it's 4 years
10 mar à 21 h 19
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Quoting: TanSor
I'd be happy with that, I could also see a similar contract to what Johnsson got last offseason if it's 4 years


Johnsson got that by score 20 goals and AHL MVP.
Better comparison is Bennett I think, similar intangibles there too.
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