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Créé par: Trevorchef

Équipe: 2020-21 Maple Leafs de Toronto

Date de création initiale: 24 févr. 2020

Publié: 29 févr. 2020

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

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And... It may turn out to be a big swing and a miss because I don't think that CBJ has ANY plans to move off of Seth Jones.

For all of the Leaf Homers who are about to chime in and tell me that Josh Anderson isn't as good as Andreas Johnsson, save it. I'm not interested. That is a pretty even swap IMO even with Anderson having a down year. Anderson would be a much better fit with the Leafs playing with Tavares.

At any rate, this is all just pipe dream fantasy BS and I expect the same amount of Leaf-Goggled wearing ACGM's to rip it apart and and equal number of Non-Leaf fans to do the same defending the other teams involved getting hosed.

The entire purpose of this exercise is to assemble a team that can compete for a Cup. I think this team could. (Or a team similarly constructed that addresses all three areas of F/D/G).
Four lines that can play it any way that you want it. A MUCH more well rounded D Core that I would put up against anyone in the league and a goalie tandem that doesn't fizzle out at seasons end because of UFA status.

One last thing... Some will be griping about trading years of control for players with less term. Think about it this way.... what is the point of having the years of control if the team cannot be a legitimate contender?

I just wanna win. I think that this group could do that.

Dig in you buncha' crazies!!

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

RFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Dermott, Travis	2	2 250 000 $
Mikheyev, Ilya	2	1 750 000 $
Anderson, Josh	4	3 500 000 $

UFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Spezza, Jason	1	900 000 $
Clifford, Kyle	3	2 000 000 $
Lehner, Robin	5	5 000 000 $

Transactions

TOR

Manson, Josh

ANA

Kerfoot, Alexander
Liljegren, Timothy
Choix de 4e ronde en 2020 (TOR)

TOR

Bennett, Sam
Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (CGY)
Choix de 2e ronde en 2021 (CGY)
Choix de 3e ronde en 2021 (CGY)

CGY

TOR

CBJ

Dermott, Travis
Johnsson, Andreas
Marner, Mitchell
Choix de 2e ronde en 2021 (CGY)

Rachats de contrats

Mikhail Grabovski: 0 $

Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire

Phil Kessel: 1 200 000 $ (15%)

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
2020
2021
2022

FORMATION

VUE À LONG TERME

INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
22	83 500 000 $	80 721 783 $	0 $	0 $	2 778 217 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Hyman, Zach 2 250 000 $2 250 000 $ AD, AG M-NTC UFA - 1	Matthews, Auston 11 640 250 $11 640 250 $ C UFA - 4	Nylander, William 6 962 366 $6 962 366 $ AD UFA - 4
Jenner, Boone 3 750 000 $3 750 000 $ C, AG UFA - 2	Tavares, John 11 000 000 $11 000 000 $ C, AG NMC UFA - 5	Anderson, Josh 3 500 000 $3 500 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 7
Mikheyev, Ilya 1 750 000 $1 750 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 2	Bennett, Sam 2 550 000 $2 550 000 $ C UFA - 1	Kapanen, Kasperi 3 200 000 $3 200 000 $ AD UFA - 2
Clifford, Kyle 2 000 000 $2 000 000 $ AG UFA - 2	Spezza, Jason 900 000 $900 000 $ C, AD UFA - 1	Korshkov, Yegor 925 000 $925 000 $ AD RFA - 1

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Rielly, Morgan 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ DG M-NTC UFA - 2	Jones, Seth 5 400 000 $5 400 000 $ DD M-NTC UFA - 2	Lehner, Robin 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ G UFA - 5
Muzzin, Jake 5 625 000 $5 625 000 $ DG NMC UFA - 4	Manson, Josh 2 050 000 $2 050 000 $ DD M-NTC UFA - 2	Campbell, Jack 1 650 000 $1 650 000 $ G UFA - 2
Sandin, Rasmus 894 167 $894 167 $ DG UFA - 2	Holl, Justin 2 000 000 $2 000 000 $ DD M-NTC UFA - 3

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Marincin, Martin 700 000 $700 000 $ DG UFA - 1
Petan, Nicolas 775 000 $775 000 $ C, AG, AD UFA - 1

29 févr. 2020 à 9 h 5

Trickster

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I have explored Manrner for Jones before.
I know @Sign_em_up000000 will be all over this.

I dont like the other 2 trades at all tbh but Blue Jackets trade is interesting.

Maybe if Columbus went rebuild mode they would do this, that is only scenario in which Jones is traded.

Purely cap wise for both teams it seems like a wash.
But I do think you overpaid Anderson by 1 million.

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29 févr. 2020 à 9 h 13

TheOtherAuston

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I don't mind the premise of any of these deals BUT
The Calgary is nowhere near enough for Anderson let alone adding engvall and I'm sure Anaheim will be looking for more even though I believe that would be a fair swap they will likely be looking for a 1st Rd pick aswell

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29 févr. 2020 à 9 h 15

Trevorchef

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Quoting: Trickster

Thanks for the feedback. I went after term with the Anderson deal. Four years instead of a shorter bridge.

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29 févr. 2020 à 9 h 16

Trevorchef

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Quoting: TheOtherAuston

I only want picks from Calgary. Feel free to add picks or prospects to that deal if you like. No salary. Have at 'er!!

29 févr. 2020 à 9 h 18

TheOtherAuston

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Quoting: Trevorchef

I only want picks from Calgary. Feel free to add picks or prospects to that deal if you like. No salary. Have at 'er!!

I feel like you'd have to get a first out of them if not Calgary somebody will pay a first+ for him

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29 févr. 2020 à 9 h 19

Trevorchef

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Quoting: TheOtherAuston

I feel like you'd have to get a first out of them if not Calgary somebody will pay a first+ for him

Totally fine with that, and it makes sense for sure.

29 févr. 2020 à 9 h 24

Jack_

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Huge overpay for jones, especially when hes been preforming just as well as Justin Holl this season.

29 févr. 2020 à 9 h 35

zk97

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Quoting: Trevorchef

I only want picks from Calgary. Feel free to add picks or prospects to that deal if you like. No salary. Have at 'er!!

TBH if that happens its probably Andersen for Bennett, Pelletier, 2021 1st, 2021 2nd

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29 févr. 2020 à 9 h 47

Trevorchef

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Quoting: Jack_

Huge overpay for jones, especially when hes been preforming just as well as Justin Holl this season.

Now THAT.... is funny!!! LOL

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29 févr. 2020 à 9 h 47

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Quoting: MaxDomi13

TBH if that happens its probably Andersen for Bennett, Pelletier, 2021 1st, 2021 2nd

Agreed. Adjusted.

29 févr. 2020 à 9 h 47

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Viqsi

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No. Stop it. For ****'s sake, stop it. We will not trade Jones.

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Quoting: Jack_

Huge overpay for jones, especially when hes been preforming just as well as Justin Holl this season.

Learn to watch a hockey game instead of a chart.

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29 févr. 2020 à 9 h 49

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Quoting: Trevorchef

Agreed. Adjusted.

But if you add Engvall I think a 2020 3rd or 2021 2nd should be added

29 févr. 2020 à 9 h 50

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Trevorchef

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Quoting: MaxDomi13

But if you add Engvall I think a 2020 3rd or 2021 2nd should be added

That was to keep the salaries in check. (Adding Engvall). I have adjusted the original suggestion. For one year of Andersen before UFA status, I think that is fair.

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29 févr. 2020 à 9 h 52

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Quoting: Trevorchef

That was to keep the salaries in check. (Adding Engvall). I have adjusted the original suggestion. For one year of Andersen before UFA status, I think that is fair.

I've heard from multiple CGY fans that Bennett can't play C very well

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29 févr. 2020 à 9 h 56

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Quoting: MaxDomi13

I've heard from multiple CGY fans that Bennett can't play C very well

Neither can Engvall.

I would take the risk because Bennett plays a much tougher overall game than 98% of the current Leafs forwards.

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29 févr. 2020 à 10 h 38

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Columbus has won 1 game with Jones out of the line up.... not saying we’d have more or less with others in the line up, but Jones in really that important to Columbus. Can’t see them trading him unless we are getting a replacement back or a 1st line center back.

Also as for the trade Columbus would 100% not make it as we need centers and adding Jenner just makes them say no even faster.

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29 févr. 2020 à 10 h 49

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Trevorchef

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Quoting: Ajp_18

This is the kind of information and feedback that I am looking for. Thanks for posting.

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29 févr. 2020 à 11 h 39

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Jack_

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Quoting: Trevorchef

Now THAT.... is funny!!! LOL

Quoting: Viqsi

No. Stop it. For ****'s sake, stop it. We will not trade Jones.

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Learn to watch a hockey game instead of a chart.

Its true though. His xGAR is pretty much tied with justin holl along with his RAPM and isolated impact. His numbers look a lot better to teh average person because he played with panarin and werenski a ton last season.

29 févr. 2020 à 11 h 48

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Take Kerfoot out of that trade and change the 2020 fourth to a 2020 first . . . oh, wait a minute . . .

29 févr. 2020 à 13 h 17

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Trevorchef

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Somebody smell something? Oh, wait a minute..... its just another bitter Islander fan! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

I'll make sure you get an invite to the party I'm having when the Habs OfferSheet Barzal in the summer!!

29 févr. 2020 à 14 h 49

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Quoting: Trevorchef

I only want picks from Calgary. Feel free to add picks or prospects to that deal if you like. No salary. Have at 'er!!

So this week on the Insider Trading segment Bob McKenzie gave an update on Josh Anderson. The player and team are at odds and Bob thinks there's a trade coming in the off-season. They are at odds because the team diagnosed his injury originally as 4-6 weeks (in December) but he hasn't played since.

Anyway, that's the tidbit I wanted to add. I don't know how real it is to add Seth Jones to the Leafs so I'll just stay out of it.

29 févr. 2020 à 15 h 17

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Viqsi

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Quoting: Jack_

I overwhelmingly recommend you look at past years, especially if you're talking about Werenski supposedly propping him up last year (that's akin to claiming Atkinson was propping up Panarin). Jones' RAPM this year is an outlier of the "something is seriously wrong with this analytics tool" level.

29 févr. 2020 à 15 h 27

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Trevorchef

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Quoting: Viqsi

Seth Jones is one of the best young defencemen in the NHL. Trying to talk around that with any type of "stats" is just a fools folly. Comparing him as an equal to Justin Holl is an even poorer attempt at shifting the narrative to something that is just not the reality. Anyone who thinks that untrue just doesn't understand hockey.

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29 févr. 2020 à 15 h 31

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Viqsi

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Quoting: Trevorchef

Oh, definitely. Seems obvious enough to me that we've got a keyboard warrior who saw Dom Galamini's tweet last Wednesday with that RAPM chart and suddenly thinks he's being clever and more informed than everyone else.

29 févr. 2020 à 15 h 45

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Jack_

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Quoting: Viqsi

Jones' corsi and xG drop significantly when hes playing without werenski. Hes corsi drops by 8 points and his xG drops by around 2 when he wasnt with panarin. Blaming the stats because it doesnt fit the narrative is insane. Hes extremely overrated because he is on the ice with very good players. That doesn't make him bad but in reality hes more of a #3

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