Lmao Nylander was market value and you're going to try and convince a generational player to make $3M less than McDavid?

Dubas lost out on term but it seems like that was part of the trade-off for pricepoint, and MAYBE overpaid Matthew's by $1M. I have no idea as to what you're talking about.

Perhaps you need a refresher course on what generational means

LMAO You’re delusional if you think Auston Matthews is generational. The guy is a franchise player, nothing more.

Also, Matthews’ contract shouldn’t even be worth value more than what Malkin got in 2009.

You went 1M to low on Nylander, the other two pretty much on the spot.....and as ppl above noted.....its franchise, not generational.

Hahaha generational gtfoh man. Are you 5 and never watched another team besides Toronto play. If he’s generational what’s McDavid or Crosby or Ovechkin? This wasn’t a well thought out comment at all.

Too easy to say that, Spezza, Rielly and Andersen could have taken more $ on the opposite side

Rielly worth 9 million then. And Andersen up there as well.

Matthews is worth at most JT, but minimum 10.5 million. He's better than Eichel, so 11 is fair. Marner 9,5 is perfect. Nylander is 6.5 - 7, we got him at market value. Looking at this, I don't think Dubby overpaid anyone except for Matthews.

Nylander was hard bc guys like guentzel are are much better and making 6. Either way even paying nylander 1m more than gives them a ton of cap.

Why is just the Leafs that have overpaid? Lots of UFA are overpaid...though teams didn't have to give up assets another to get them. Leafs might have three overpaid contract. Nylander, Matthews and Ceci, but just a total of 4m. Gee, the Rangers are carrying Staal and Smith and what 6 m in buyout money this year.

On that same note Carlson’s first nhl contract was less that MR and now he’s paid. MR wasn’t nearly as good when he signed his deal as he now. Spezza hardly matters.... they really don’t need him. And Anderson wasn’t a true #1 either. He was the 2nd best goalie for the ducks. Both will get massive upgrades

id say Nylander should've signed 6.5 million. He was better than Guz last season, but guzental really took it to the next level this year and Rutherford was smart to sign him early in the season. If guzental was up for a contract right now, he'd be looking at 7-8 million

Actually made this bc of you. You keep saying why do they need to pay marner above market value. So I signed all the big 3 to market value deals. Yeah every team has overpaid players but hardly see the point of bring that up

I still say the Leafs don't HAVE to pay Marner more than market value....because no other team will. But is seems to be only the Leaf haters think the Leafs are stuck in overpaying infinitum for all their players. IMO the Leafs will pay more than market value for Marner. Of course we have this hazy what is market value.

I put what “fair” market value is. And I don’t hate the leafs....just the fans. Between (not you) them saying marner isn’t good enough to make what he wants but they turn around and trade him for a massive haul. Or the glorification of Matthews. A guy in This post alone called him generational. Same with nylander. Again not saying this is you bc it’s not. But I simply made this to show what the actual value of the players are. Imo of course

At the time Rielly signed everyone felt it was a terrible deal and overpay.

@Capitalfail67 Makes you wish the Leafs paid Marner his 8 year contract worth 9 million AAV a season ago. Everyone would’ve complained, but when he started to deliver it would silence the doubters. What’d you think?

Matthews is a franchise player without doubt, but he is a borderline generational scoring talent (only behind Ovi and Laine in the cap era imo). Here is Matthews vs Kane in the first 3 years before their 2nd contracts.
Name- GPG/PPG
Matthews-- 0.49/0.84 - 0.55/1.02 - 0.54/1.07
Kane--------- 0.26/0.88 - 0.31/0.88 - 0.37/1.07

The Leafs didn't overpay Matthews.
Nylander was at most a 500k overpay.

Yeah people on here had him at 8 million.... ha oh well

Hahaha he’s not even close to generational. He’s not even top 10 in the nhl right now. And he’s 100% overpaid. But scoring goals means everything I guess. Haha

Compare his first 3 years to Stamkos goals vs goals

Do you have an actual argument here or???? He is 100% paid fairly
Matthews is a bordeline generational scoring talent, but is a franchise centre.
I assume by top 10 you are referring to the generational aspect, in which he is easily top 5 in goalscoring.

I am mostly just repeating what I said in my previous comment as what you said is not a counter to what I said. Do you struggle with reading comprehension by chance?

Scoring is the hardest thing to do in hockey, it is what gets you paid (see Skinner, Jeff). He is fairly compensated (although I would have liked another year or two on the term.

And thats exactly where overpayment is defined.

I used Kane as I had him on hand (and the fact that he is considered one of the leagues best snipers), but Stammer is:
Stammer--- 0.29/0.58 - 0.62/1.16 - 0.55/1.11
Matthews-- 0.49/0.84 - 0.55/1.02 - 0.54/1.07

They are very comparable lol. By Cap hit % he was 11.66% which was done in the old system of RFA contracts where they were underpaid.
Matthews is not overpaid, and if you want to cite an example as to why he is, maybe check your example first.

The term is fine. Wanting something to add extra value doesn't mean it was an overpayment. I want Andersen's deal to have 3 more years for example, doesn't mean his deal was an overpay.

No? Nothing? Nothing to say at all?

Actually I want to tag @Laudan here as well because Stamkos' 2nd deal was 5 years as well.
Not only was he signed in an era where RFA's got significantly less than they should have, but also the Matthews deal was negotiated under the premise of an 83 mill cap. That would put them as 5@14.01 to 5@11.66, with the gap being the RFA's being underpaid bit. The same story with Kane who got 5@10.61 in that same era of underpaying RFA's

STOP PERPETUATING THE MYTH THAT MATTHEWS IS OVERPAID OR UNDERTERMED. HE IS FAIRLY PAID AND TERMED.