You have seen it in the past with fourth line players such as Bryan Bickell and Dave Bolland get 4 million and 5.5 million respectively following their multiple playoff runs, so it’s not unreasonable to think that Jake Guentzel, a legit top line winger wasn’t going to demand premium money in today’s market.

To be clear, San Jose offered JT 7@13. JT took a discount to come to Toronto.
Crosby's contract is literally illegal today, and would be 12.5aav if he were paid the same money on the max term.

But all I see are Leaf fans complaining about why Mitch Marner isn’t willing to take a discount like 6-7 million dollars to help the team win. After both Matthews and Nylander’s refusal to do so, they shouldn’t be surprised that Marner is going the same route.

I am aware JT got offered 13 million by the Sharks and 15 million by the Islanders. It was very generous of him to leave money on the table, but he never deserved to get offered 15 million in the first place. He’s not Sidney Crosby and he is only not 1.5 million dollars less valuable than Crosby.

MR had 70 points last year. As a defenseman. SPEZZA is making leauge min to get 20+ points.
Gibson is a top 3 goalie in the league. I would say price and Fleury are ahead of him. You are telling me 5 million for a top 7 goalie in the league isn't good enough because he isn't the second best goalie in the league.

he could've asked for it, but I dont think Rutherford would've been foolish enough to sign him to any contract with a higher cap hit than Crosby

No for sure not. I just think Jim Rutherford doesn’t get enough credit for the success he’s had. Fans always bash him and disregard him as a top GM because of his decisions to bring in Johnson and Gudbranson (who hasn’t even been bad). They act like he won those back to back cups by fluke.

No? Nothing? Nothing to say at all?

Actually I want to tag @Laudan here as well because Stamkos' 2nd deal was 5 years as well.
Not only was he signed in an era where RFA's got significantly less than they should have, but also the Matthews deal was negotiated under the premise of an 83 mill cap. That would put them as 5@14.01 to 5@11.66, with the gap being the RFA's being underpaid bit. The same story with Kane who got 5@10.61 in that same era of underpaying RFA's

STOP PERPETUATING THE MYTH THAT MATTHEWS IS OVERPAID OR UNDERTERMED. HE IS FAIRLY PAID AND TERMED.

I mean, 15 points less at 1.5 aav less is 100k per point which is actually right on lol. You can look at cost per point on CF to verify comparables for yourself. JT is also more or less paid fairly, even by UFA standards.

Dude it’s friday night I don’t live on this site. Please control yourself.

And I said Stamkos bc he was a scoring center and Kane is a winger. Don’t be an aggressive moron. I know it’s hard. Hahaha man your nuts if you think Matthews is worth top 5 pay. I feel bad for you. Hahaha

Yes but John Tavares is getting paid like a top 3 centre in the league. Same with Auston Matthews, and honestly neither are. The best 3 centres of the league:

Connor McDavid
Sidney Crosby
Evgeni Malkin

hes been bad since the 2017 Stanley cup. ever since the reaves trade hes been on a downfall.

Yes but John Tavares is getting paid like a top 3 centre in the league. Same with Auston Matthews, and honestly neither are. The best 3 centres of the league:

Connor McDavid
Sidney Crosby
Evgeni Malkin

Yes but John Tavares is getting paid like a top 3 centre in the league. Same with Auston Matthews, and honestly neither are. The best 3 centres of the league:

Connor McDavid
Sidney Crosby
Evgeni Malkin

Disagree strongly here.

Connor McDavid
Sidney Crosby
Sean Couturier

And you said that Matthews was getting paid equivalently 900k less than Geno, and that this is an issue when you have Geno as the 3rd best C in the world? Lol

Barkov mackinon Tavares Berg all better than Matthews. Dude only uses goals nothing else I gave up awhile ago. Haha

Best centres since McDavid entered the league:

1. McDavid
2. Crosby
3. Malkin
4. MacKinnon
5. Barkov
6. Bergeron
6. Tavares
7. Matthews
8. Toews
9. Giroux
10. Backstrom

There should be absolutely no arguement that Malkin is a top 3 centre in the league.

Barkov mackinon Tavares Berg all better than Matthews. Dude only uses goals nothing else I gave up awhile ago. Haha

Best centres since McDavid entered the league:

1. McDavid
2. Crosby
3. Malkin
4. MacKinnon
5. Barkov
6. Bergeron
6. Tavares
7. Matthews
8. Toews
9. Giroux
10. Backstrom

There should be absolutely no arguement that Malkin is a top 3 centre in the league.

There is, and alot of it. What are you basing this off of? Malkin is a very good centre, easily top 15, likely top 10, and possibly around the top 5, but 3rd? No ****ing way. Barkov, Couturier and others are better than Malkin hands down.
You're a Pens fan right? You are overvaluing your own player.

I use far more than goals you illiterate fool. I've literally been showing you points and goals at the same time. I use underlying metrics as well, a concept you don't seem to understand.
Good lord you are beyond reason.

It is unfortunate that idiots don't understand their own shortcomings.

That’s how I ranked it.

Nice ego trip.....fitting along 8 x 13M demand......after 69 and 63 seasons

Everything is the best in TML-land, i know.....sorry for expressing any kind of doubt....

Wheres Kadri, i remember you flaked me with your "knowledge" how he will be Leaf for lifetime......

There is, and alot of it. What are you basing this off of? Malkin is a very good centre, easily top 15, likely top 10, and possibly around the top 5, but 3rd? No ****ing way. Barkov, Couturier and others are better than Malkin hands down.
You're a Pens fan right? You are overvaluing your own player.

Matthews is a franchise player without doubt, but he is a borderline generational scoring talent (only behind Ovi and Laine in the cap era imo). Here is Matthews vs Kane in the first 3 years before their 2nd contracts.
Name- GPG/PPG
Matthews-- 0.49/0.84 - 0.55/1.02 - 0.54/1.07
Kane--------- 0.26/0.88 - 0.31/0.88 - 0.37/1.07

The Leafs didn't overpay Matthews.
Nylander was at most a 500k overpay.

the leafs 100% overpaid matthews...sort of. 11.634 is completely fair and justified for an 8 year deal. For that player friendly term, they certainly overpaid, and honestly, it's kind of an absurd overpay. According to matthews, it's the equivalent of 13.8 over 8 years.

Dude is delusional. Matthews did them a favor haha ?

My evaluation of Dubas work till now

Tavares - signing ............................................................................................... ( A ) i think that was a sure shot on JT side right after he hits UFA but still let him have merits
Nylander - signing............................................................................................ ( B+ ) explained below
Muzzin - trade .................................................................................................. ( B+ ) we could hunt someone younger with longer term like Manson or Pesce for additional 2x 2nd
Matthews - signing ...........................................................................................( C- ) avalanche of overpayment dragged by this one


NYLANDER (minor fail )

i was giving him 7 x 6,8M in my simulations in Aug 2018 cause 61 + 61 and inflation with cap raise ( otherwise point-contibution would make him 6,5M max)

i still believe Nylander was a pre-made setup, which allowed TML to give him money he wanted but with higher pay-check this year cause it was affordable. By holdout he was losing 20k per day, which in two months resulted in 1,2M deficit on his account. Distract that from 10,27M and you get 2M surplus to spread over 6 years on top of 6,9M contract which makes him 6 x 7,2M, so 600k above what he should get based on his previous two seasons production .In my books not such a tragedy in overpayment. Proly that cost TML the resigning of P.Lindholm at 1,5M next year.

Before signing comparable to :
Kutcherov ( 3 x 4,7M on top of 66 + 65)
Gaudreau ( 6 x 6,7M on top of 64 + 78 )
Monahan ( 7 x 6,4M on top of 34 + 63 + 62 )


MATTHEWS ( major fail )

in my books 7 x 11M in Aug 2018 cause 69 + 63 + "75" and riding on hype ( otherwise points-contribution would make him 8M max )

Lets say for the sake of argument Matthews is as good as McDavid ( he isnt, but still )

McDavid signed 8 x 12,5M in 2017, which would be 13,7M in 2018 with Cap raise ( 6% ) and rounded to 10% cause of "inflation".

8 x 13,7M
7 x 12,5M
6 x 11,3M
5 x 10,1M

The above should be logical descending contracts for Matthews ofc after he would score 100 points in his second season and rolling another 100 this season. You can figure the overpayment in $$ / years of contract by yourself. Maybe not even a tragedy if it wouldnt make precedens for all the other contracts to be signed.

Two other names come to mind ....Draisaitl and Eichel, both marked as centers, both signed 2017-2018, both considered overpayment... so ideal comparables to Matthews

Draisaitl.............51 + 77...............8 x 8,5M ( 128 points in first two seasons, 217 curentlly ).........again if he would sign in 2018 with same stats, it would be 8 x 9,4M..........so 5 x 6,5M ( on spot )
Eichel.................56 + 57...............8 x 10M ( 113 points in first two seasons, 185 curentlly ).............again if he would sign in 2018 with same stats, it would be 8 x 11M..........so 5 x 8M ( overpayment )
Matthews..........63 + 69...............5 x 11,6M ( 132 points in first two seasons, 195 curentlly )

2M overpayment on this if Matthews would be McDavid's level and what i can read from this contract is he is the greedy one ( not Nylander ) and wants to hit UFA asap and move to whoever gives him more.....so another minus from me on his account from TML fan perspective

Ppl here waveing around with : Matthews just gave TML a discount with his 5 x 11,634M ( on top of 63 + 69 seasons ) cause he asked for 8 x 13M ( again on top of 63 + 69 seasons ) and thats his mercifull bowdown to help TML with cap troubles in 2019/2020.
8 x 13,7M is McDavids money if he signed in summer 2018 instead 2017. And hes not McDavid.

Matthews logic of helping TML : 8 x 13M
........................................................7 x 12,6M
........................................................6 x 12,1M
........................................................5 x 11,634M

Each year of Matthews from 6 to 8 as UFA years is worth 455k.......i mean

After those 5x 11,634M Chiarelli looks like genius with McDavid and Draisaitl 8y contracts......

Still to see how Dubarelli will handle :

MARNER

i mostly went with 7 x 8M in Aug 2018 cause 61 + 69 + "90" and taking "hometown discount" ( otherwise points-contribution would make him 8,5M max )

So i went Dubarelli style and sign him for 2 x 7,5M, after bridge is done sign him for 5 x 13M into Matthews greedy face.

Comparables :
Kutcherov ( 3 x 4,7M on top of 66 + 65)
Panarin ( 2 x 6M on top of 77 + 74 )

There is, and alot of it. What are you basing this off of? Malkin is a very good centre, easily top 15, likely top 10, and possibly around the top 5, but 3rd? No ****ing way. Barkov, Couturier and others are better than Malkin hands down.
You're a Pens fan right? You are overvaluing your own player.