Wasn't bad. But 69 to 94 points = Tavares effect imo. No different than the McKinnon effect on Rattanen. Very very good players - playing with maybe better ones.

Marner is better than 8.5 mil, but hes not worth more than 10, hes getting this money for 2 reasons A. he is probably making the argument hes worth more than Matthews (even though hes not) and b. Toronto media hyped him up so much this season to the point where he would bhe dumb to not use it as leverage. his contract shpuld be 10mil AAV for 8 years and i certainly do not want my isles offer sheeting him for 12.5 AAV for 8 years

Marners comparison is Auston Matthews. He’s not comparing himself to anybody outside of the leafs. His argument is that hes more productive than Matthews so he should make the Same or more it’s not that hard to understand. Leafs are trying to compare him to playings outside of their franchise which unfortunately won’t work since the other top 3 forwards on the leafs are overpaid

Hayes was a UFA. Changes the game.

Exactly; I can't get over how many Leaf fans are siding with the Leafs management. That office put the team in a cap crunch...the same office that has you fans waiting 52+ years for a cup.

Marner is elite talent and the guy should be paid as such. No stanley cup team in the modern era is winning without a A caliber playmaking winger and Toronto doesn't have one outside of Marner. Be happy you have him and fault the office for handling it poorly. A hockey player should maximize their value...their careers are short and sometimes cut extremely short with injuries....I don't blame a player for wanting to get max value.

Hawks fans on the other hand with Debrincat, are preparing for him to get paid and will crucify Stan Bowman if he doesn't get paid and locked in next summer. Is Debrincat worth $8.5M a year right now....hell no, but Hawks fans are saying pay the kid as you can see from our AGM's....and Debrincat is no Marner by a country mile. Did Hawks fans cry when Kane and Toews got locked into the most expensive contracts in the league at the time and forcing us into cap hell....nope, we faulted the office for handling other players incorrectly but not the two guys that brought us 3 cups. Matthews and Marner are your Kane and Toews.

Bottom line, Marner is worth whatever a team is willing to pay him and if the Leafs pay him $10M for 5 years I'd be happy. Conversely if an offer sheet comes in for $10.5M for 5 years, if I was a Leafs fan I'd be pissed if they don't match. But hey, you can side with that front office that hasn't brought Toronto a cup for 52+ years.

8 years at $10 million kinda works. It's Aho's $8.5 million with $1.5 million extra for 3 seasons of UFA eleigibility. I would pay for that. But anymore..... I walk.

I'm thinking it's going to be even shorter term. Something like 10.5 for 4 years. That gets him back to market soon for a shot at 12.5 for 6 or something. I don't think that he'd be able to command more than 10.5 now. So this would be a win win for everyone.

For what the Marner camp thinks he is worth, a hybrid bridge deal seems more and more likely.

But that number will be under $10 million. He isn't worth 8 figures..... yet.

Disagree...Anderson is a 29 year old goalie that wouldn't be considered a top 5 goalie in the league...not to take anything away from him because he's good no doubt, but out of 31 starting goalies, I wouldn't put him in the elite category of top 5. Marner is 22 years old and is a top 10 winger no question about that; given 248 starting wingers that's pretty elite to be in the top 10. Rielly? C'mon...he's good but hardly elite.

Hold up. So Marner increases his point production by 30 points playing with Tavares and he is "Elite top 10" in the NHL. Reilly puts up a Norris type season, increasing his point total by roughly the same 30 points, and he is not "elite" at all?

That's flawed thinking.

Imo, niether player at this stage is "elite"..... just damn good hockey players. Gimmie a couple seasons of that production and growth, it changes the conversation.

Disagreed. But you have your opinion and I dont take it away from you. Andersen is not only for me but for many many people a top-5 G in the league. Who is better than him? Vasilevskiy and Gibson for sure and then arguably MAYBE Bishop (who is older) and Price (who is also older). Rinne is not as good and much much older. As for Rielly. He is for sure top-10 Dman and maybe even top-5. Seth Jones, Victor Hedman, Mark Giordano, Brent Burns are better than Rielly. I doubt anybody else is. Maybe Chabot will, but Rielly is just 25yrs old and has like 10-15yrs ahead of him. Rielly is elite defenceman. And he is only getting better.

Exactly and there are

Exactly and there are so many Leaf fans trying to justify that Marner should be getting the paid the same amount as Nylander. Nylander before signing the contract played with the most talented and dynamic centre on the team, Matthews. Yet he only notched 61 points as a career high. Marner on the other hand, played with Bozak and Kadri, 2 centres with significantly less talent than Matthews yet he still managed 61 and 70 points respectively, so this already puts him ahead of Nylander. Last season, Marner played with Tavares, a complete play driving centre forward but he’s still no Matthews. Marner notched 94 points, 33 more than Nylander’s career best. Also, Marner has a better all round game and more raw talent. His stick handling, dekes, dangling, creativity and vision are all superior to the Swede. That should reasonably put him higher than Nylander by a good margin. Also, I see Marner working relentlessly away from the puck, using his speed and taking hits to win battles. With Nylander, I see no such thing. Whenever he doesn’t have the puck he just floats around or skates off. Talk about being lazy yet people don’t understand why Nylander gets hate yet Marner doesn’t. You just look at the efforts they put in and I think it’s justified.

Now now. Anyone that compares Marner and Nylander should be committed. Although in Nylander's defense, his two way game is somewhat underrated. He will top out where his dad was...... and that isn't bad. And really, last year was a write off.
2019-20 is gonna be the test of that contract.

Totally agree with the thread starter but do believe he’s worth a bit more.

Those wanting to compare the ppg stats, c’mon Aho centres a line of lesser talent, Marner is on the wing with JT.

To this day I blame Hunter from the start for whispering in Marners ear that he’d be a centre in the NHL someday. He’s a winger & 1. Father 2. Agent has him shooting for the fences.

If he thinks he’s worth Matthews money, give him Matthews money.

6 year term
9.695mil/yr

There’s your Matthews money take it or leave it, but at a term that works for the Leafs.

Until the signed offer sheets presented there’s no other conversation.

The most dangerous thing a team can do is Offer Sheet $1 less than (4) 1sts. I think MB should just continue to make waves. Offer Sheet everyone...although do it better than Aho's Offer Sheet. All he did was do CAR a favor. We can argue all we want about who provides more to their team...Aho...Marner. I can see both sides. Aho has 1 season as a #1C and did a REALLY good job. Marner is a pure winger and has a ton of talent...more talent. That's kinda besides the point to me. CAR had a ton of extra cap and is was a poor attempt at an offersheet. TOR and TBL don't have cap luxury. Make a real run at Marner and Point. Put the pressure on TOR and TBL.

Because Teuvo and Svechnikov aren't good? Turbo had 76 points and is a stud, Svechnikov as a 19 year old kid put up 37 points I believe....not bad in his first season and played in the dirty areas. I would think that line is pretty good no?

Oh no I sure Marner "isn't OK with it.", when he sees the salaries of Matthews and Nylander. But tell me what are Marner's options, then is going to get him an optimum price....let's say 12.m?
I'd be welcome to see any offer sheet from any ACGM...and their roster for this seasons and the following season, because all other teams...besides Ottawa would have to selling assets to fit Marner in the summer of 2020.

I believe they will depending upon the term. The Leafs move 1 player that makes 3 mill and they can match any offer sheet up to 12.5 mill
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Nope they are not going to move a 3 million dollar third line to resign Marner. The Leafs would rather have three 3 million dollar players than one player of Mitch Marner’s caliber because they believe in quantity over quality.

I disagree

The Leafs do not want to make moves to make room for Marner. Kerfoot, Johnsson and Kapanen are all more willing to playing for the Leafs the hometown boy.

Want has nothing to do with it. The Leafs dont want to be forced into trading anyone. They clearly have a dollar figure in mind in regards to Marner and i am 100% positive it falls within their current cap space minus the Horton contract which is just north of 9million. However if another team offer sheets it will throw that figure out into left field. The leafs will do everything within their power to match any offer sheet and keep him. My number is 12.5 mill over 7. Leafs match anything below this in both dollar value and term.