As we have seen from Karlsson's record as player....one player can't lead a team to playoff success. Ottawa has had only one Cup with Karlsson, so let's not over value what one player can do.
Most of the trades posted lately for Karlsson have been very poor value. Term is so important in trades now. Ottawa fans have been "selfish" in this regard. Gee, there has been a gross amount of "selfish" from Montreal fans to regarding the trading of Patches also.
And let's just imagine Karlsson for Draisaitl was a deal. Yeah it would be beneficial for Oilers for a year. But it's not like you're getting full value for Karlsson, you have subtract the value of the Oilers not having Draisaitl.

Look at the list above, many of these Dmen just have one year left till UFA. Their trade value is much lower than their one year playing value.

I agree with the main point of this take that Karlsson is being overvalued on this site. But I have different reasons. He is definitely a top 5 guy in this league. However, he'll need an extension. Even more importantly, not many teams are in the market for a franchise defenseman. Some teams have plenty of RD (CGY, CAR, LA, MTL, etc), some teams don't have the assets to give up. This means of the 30 other teams in the league, only 5 or 6 can afford to acquire Karlsson. Throw in Karlsson's NTC/NMC whichever one he has, and suddenly Ottawa has very few trading partners. When demand goes down, price goes down, simple economics.

Lmfao Giordano is a top 10 dman in the NHL. Your main gripe is spelling on a rough list, which proves my point further

Before Subban - Weber trade: "Booooo! Subban is overrated" "he didn't desever his Norris trophy" "he has no class!" "Weber is one of the top Dman in this league"

After Subban - Weber trade: "Weber is old!" "He can't skate!" blah blah blah

You were definitely one of those guys weren't you?

And Weber is better than half of the people you listed. Weber is in the 15 range imo. Most of the guys on that list will eventually pass him with the younger guys approaching their prime and when Weber will be at the tail end of his career. but you somehow think he's already there at 32 years olds, what a joke.

every single player i mentioned is better than weber in most facets of the game based on virtually every underlying stat available

Eh, not exactly true. Weber is still above someone like Dougie Hamilton and Oscar Klefbom or Ryan Ellis.

Weber is still legitimately one of the hardest players to play against, as voted by all the players in NHL.
Only pulling stats from when he joined the Habs in 2016 (where he apparently became a fossil) Weber, and having played around 50 games less than everyone else, is still tied for 1st in the NHL in PP goals by a defensemen with 14 (tied with OEL and Josi, and above guys like Burns). Weber is still top 10 in ice time averages with 25:08. Weber was top 10 in average ice time shorthanded at 02:58.

Its tough convincing people on this site of reality sometimes. All they see is term and salary and nothing else. Too many people look at Weber and see 8 years 7.8M and what he'll be in year 7 of that deal. What about the 1-5 where he'll still be Montreals best dman? Doesn't matter, he'll probably suck at age 38......

I don't care anymore to be honest. The only ones whose opinions I really care to know are the NHL GM's. From what I've been able to gather, they still respect and love what Weber brings. If MB decides to move Weber, there will be plenty of interest. Obviously that doesn't mean Dahlin, Eichel and picks for Weber so people have to look past the Habs fans that don't know player evaluations worth **** who keep making these terrible trade scenarios but by that same token there are some non Habs fans who put Weber on bottom pairing, cap dump territory too which just go to show how little they really know.

Does a stupid fans opinion on Shea Weber matter or a hockey execs and fellow hockey players? Just read the latest NHLPA poll and you'll see how respected Shea Weber is by fellow nhl players. Subban's name isn't even on that list. Subban is all flash. He's a great hockey player, but he's all flash. I mean everyone was saying that he will have a big game 7 against the jets and you know what he does the whole game? Dives and complains. Thats it. He's not a team player. He's his own brand. Weber on the other hand? Hockey execs droll over him. Listen to a 31 thoughts podcast from mid april in which Dale Tallon was interviews. Look at how he describes Shea Weber. Look at how David Poile describes him. Look at how Mike Babcock describes him. All you have to do is watch a single game of Weber and you'll know why he's a superior d-man. Not only can he shut down the best defensively but he has a bomb of a shot from the point and can rack up 50 plus points a season. Anyone who says that he's not a top 10 D man in the league is a complete ******. A dumbass fans opinion doesn't matter. He's probably sitting there on his couch dictating that he knows more about hockey then an experienced professional nhl exec, coach or player. Cheers

See, this helps fuel the fire though for the wrong side. Forget Subban for Weber. Who cares of they were traded for each other. Two different hockey players. Both amazing at what they do. Bringing down Subban to prop up Weber is unfair to Subban who is his right way is a great player too whether or not you like his antics.

Both are great players but due to age difference, Subban is simply a better asset. With that said, that doesn't mean by default Weber is a bad asset which some feel that is what it has to mean now. One wins and one loses. There can only be one!

People on this site are too Black/White. Yes/No. Good/Bad. Amazing/Sucks......etc. Its far more grey than they make it out to be.

Not even a year ago: https://www.nhl.com/news/top-20-defenseman-nhl-top-players/c-290772362

Weber at no. 9

Age equals experience for defensemen. Speed/slow-down matters much less for those that don't rely on it and use their body, reach, and most importantly, positioning. Weber uses all three effectively and is also an offensive threat.

The age and contract concerns are years away and nowhere near as bad as they are made out to be. He'll still be good and will be moveable if he isn't good enough.

big buff is 32 and having an amazing year. burns is 32. had an excellent year. ryan suter is still a pillar on the wild blue line and it was evident in the playoffs as to how much they missed him. but when weber is 32, he's old and slow????

@LobbysOilers This may be the single worst comment in all of capfriendly ever. And that’s saying something.

Here you go: The NHLPA Players' Poll lists Weber the 4th hardest player in the NHL to play against. He is the #3 Toughest Dman and the #4 best role model. (BTW, Subban doesn't rate in any category). I think that probably trumps pretty much every other opinion on this site.

PS -- Price is still considered the #1 hardest goalie to face, so please don't trade him either.

You're out of your mind. This year's NHLPA Players' Poll (click here) lists Weber the 4th hardest player in the NHL to play against. He is the #3 Toughest Dman and the #4 best role model. (since you brought him up, Subban doesn't rate in any category). I think that probably trumps pretty much every other opinion on this site.

Weber is quite literally above everyone but Karlsson and Doughty, according to the NHL players themselves. https://www.nhlpa.com/player-poll/2017-18

Did I miss the parade?

Gee, thanks, I meant to say one Cup run....they reached the final four once. In EKs seven years...a I believe it's three playoff round wins.

In a way, I was supporting your point.

Karlsson is the best D man in the league?