hard no from me, not even if it was 1 for 1

PREACH MY MAN!!!

For what side?

Exactly, they need to temper their expectations.

EK is still one of the most dynamic Dman in the game but a 29 year old 1 year removed from UFA who is going to get a monster contract. Teams are not going to tear down their farm system or pipeline.
They will get a good return but won't be getting 4 or 5 high end draft pieces. You are trading for and resigning to a mega deal with the majority of his prime hockey years already gone. He will be a 10m Dman for a couple more seasons, but after that....are you going to have a Seabrooks in Chicago situation or Weber in Montreal where the price and the current on ice product just dont match up.

He isn't 29 years old... He is 27 years old and will be 28 the 31th of may...

Sorry I combined thoughts, being 29 at the time of an extension. Point still remains. Shelling out 7 or 8 years..at conservatively 10m aav to a guy that takes him through his late 30s. Not ideal especially if you are giving up 3 or 4 19-21 year old assets

Weber isn't a bullet... He still one of the 15 best Dmen of the league... Before his injurie, he got 16pts in 25 games, which is equal to 52 pts on a complete season.... And still really great defensively.

You forgot that on this website Weber is 47 years old and his contract is going to last another century.

"He's turning 29". He literally hasn't even turned 28 yet.

"He's a top 10 guy but not the 2/3 he used to be". Wrong. Karlsson, Doughty, Hedman (in no specific order). Shouldn't even be a debate.

"He's a defensive liability when he doesn't have the puck". This past year he wasn't the greatest defensively, yeah. But the 3 years prior he was very solid and he led the league in blocked shots the year before which led to his injury. That's probably a decent stat for when you don't have the puck.

"He is coming off major surgery, less value". He had a horrible first 30 games for his standard. And after that, was himself. He missed an entire offseason and was forced to play with Johnny Oduya. He missed some games at the beginning of the year due to his foot and at the end due to the very unfortunate family reasons. He was still the most productive offensive defenceman in the NHL (0.87 PPG). Even after a bad start, and he did that on a team who was 26th in the league in goals for.

I think that Drai+EDM 1st is fair value for him. Your valuation is good. But your rationale in the description was trash. Your "facts" are hilarious and inaccurate. Watch some games.

Yes, Weber played 26 games last season bc of Injury.at 32 years old, hes not young pup that major injuries like that are easy to recover from. Will enter this season at 33. He is moving closer and closer to the tail end of his good years. Being signed to 7.8m to hes 40...lets not pretend like its some amazing contract at this point of his career

im not saying hes bad, Im saying that there should be concerns moving forward based on his age coming off a big injury

not a single word of that is true. weber sucks defensively but is still an elite offensive defender. hes not even a top 30 dman though

This is a bad take. Weber is easily a top 30 defender. That fact may not last more than a year or two. But as of now, he is easily a top 30.

Still better than each of your Dmens in Edmonton...

subban easily bumps out karlsson and there is still burns in that discussion, Points isnt everything yes its good he had great numbers but him without the puck is atrocious for what you expect and im off by 1 year on age, karlsson isnt top 5 anymore and probably wont return to that stage because of his defensive ability is not near as good as he is offensively. Saying Wrong doesnt mean you are right afterwards you didnt give a explanation to why i was wrong just stated and walked off...should probably watch some hockey and see this evidence in the act.

Can you imagine trading leon and a first rounder for this clown and he walks after a year. Chiarelli get right on that.

thats both false and irrelevant lol

lolololol burns bumping out karlsson... karlsson is the best dman in the league without question

In what world do you live on??

@F50marco @EthanK24 @ricochetii @Price_is_the_goat @KSIxSKULLS @Truebeliever, please save me from this madness!

So where are you gathering your *opinion* from? I absolutely guarantee you that I watch more of Erik Karlsson than you. He turns over the puck a decent amount, but just as much as Doughty and Subban and Burns do.

To call him atrocious in his own end is absolutely whack. Please present some evidence for this.

This guy makes some defensive plays sometimes that only a handful of guys in the league can make, and it's great to watch. The fact that everyone thinks Karlsson is horrible defensively is the most hilarious myth. It's mostly because of his plus/minus (which is the worst stat in hockey).

karlsson
doughty
subban
hedman
giordano
OEL
Pietrangelo
Parayko
burns
josi
ekholm
petry
carlsson
letang
byfuglien
wierenski
proverov
hamilton
lindholm
brodie
ellis
slavin
spurgeon
suter
pesce
keith
klefbom
rielly
jones
barrie
dumba
ekblad


thats 33 that are head and shoulders better defensemen than weber. i can go through more but i think those would be a little more controversial and more preference. theyre in no particular order btw

As a Habs fan in OTT, I've seen my fare share of Karlsson. I'll say that Karlsson was terrible in his own end, even when he won his 1st Norris trophy. Which kinda of ticked me off more about him with all the praise he was getting. However, Since probably 2015 (his 2nd Norris) Karlsson has been a beast defensively. I personally think he was more deserving of winning the Norris again when Doughty won.

Petry, Brodie are not even close to Weber. I don't really watch enough of Spurgeon to count him out. Klefbom and Pesce are not as good as Weber either, but they'll probably surpass him by 2020.

Definitely a tough list to come up with, but one name I noticed you left off is Orlov. Man this guy is so underrated and is playing such a big part in WSH success.

But yeah I think Weber is between 20-30 still. His reputation gets tarnished a bit due to the Subban trade (kinda like Larsson). Weber and Larsson are both very good defensemen but the people tend to compare them to who they got traded for, and Hall and Subban are farrrr more superior. Definitely affects people's perception on them.

You're not even able to spell the names of Werenski and Provorov... Weber is easily above Dumba, Pesce, Giordano and Spurgeon. I would even add Klefbom...

Watch this. Half of these are from ONE single game against Carolina. Watch it and tell me that he is atrocious defensively. https://youtu.be/JQe2YoY0dhM