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Forum: NHL24 janv. à 16 h 22
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>yikes</b></div><div>I agree that we’re not here to pull out pitchforks and what not falsely - but also in the most respectful way possible, not talking about thing is part of the problem.

In my eyes right, and feel free to disagree, to not allow criticism is not helping change the environment. Again, respectfully - if you’re Formenton - London issues basically a demand saying they MUST come face charges without their names being publicly stated. And Formenton who well… yknow… all that’s transpired with him.. now he flies home to Canada the day of that demand from across the world..

I’m sorry but I ain’t giving that guy anymore shade from the spotlight until there’s EVIDENCE THAT PROVIDES doubt.

And all 4 of the NHL guys could be bystanders, but again.. by not sparking conversation is partly whats allowed this stain to be hidden for years and the guilty to roam innocently.

Even more so let’s just make up: Peter John made millions which will cover all the fees, problems, and bail OR WHATEVER, that will come as a result from this trial, while Jane Doe has just been tormented for years, and hockey Canada didn’t want anyone to speak about things.

So if Rick Westhead is going to spark conversation on what’s going on with these 5 players. I don’t see why sparking conversations here is wrong. I ain’t saying anyone’s name but the ONE guy who I don’t believe should have his name is hidden.

Not tryna say I’m right or you’re wrong. Just giving a different perspective.</div></div>

I think there's more value to keeping this discussion centralized and away from the other ongoing discussions: this piece deserves it's due, don't get me wrong.

There is value in being critical of the names involved, especially those who end up charged and those who looked to cover this incident (and those past) up instead of allowing justice to take its proper course. I take issue - and everyone should - with misguided outrage. It is very easy, and very tempting right now, to start to direct the anger, shame, and judgement these scandals have wrought at the five men who have taken absence from their clubs. There is a growing amount of reason to suggest these are the names we're looking for.

But we do not yet have absolute certainty. What if we're wrong and those five are not the names in question? It's a slim chance but it is still a nonzero chance. There is a reason why Rick Westhead specifically has not gone on to name the players themselves and it's that same lack of 100% certainty that he's currently abiding by that I would ask the community here to emulate.

Furthermore, once the names do get released, what purpose does vitriol aimed at those five serve? As I stated in the other thread, the most important discussion we can be having right now is "What can I/we do to affect change?". To me, that does more good for those affected by this scandal or others similar to it. How do we as a community ensure there isn't another Jane Doe or Kyle Beach? What is more important is their justice, their stories coming to light, and the hockey community as a whole doing something productive with that information instead of just getting angry at the individuals responsible.

I don't want to cover up this case or the others like it, but I've also never found myself in a situation where I've had to moderate something like this. I doubt the other moderators have either. Any decisions we've made to this point surrounding how this conversation should unfold on these forums has strictly been from a point of "what does the community the most good" without ignoring the seriousness of the topic at hand. Likewise, the userbase here is likely just as new to these conversations. Neither side is going to get this thing 100% right. You (as a collective) are probably going to disagree with how the moderators and I handle elements of this discussion. Likewise, we're going to disagree with how some of these conversations are approached by the masses. Keep working with us to have these conversations. The sport, forums, and community at large are better off for it!
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