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Forum: Armchair-GM22 févr. 2022 à 14 h 9
Sujet: Thoughts
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>csick</b></div><div>Let’s say it doesn’t cost one of those. Bjornfot is probably stuck on the 3rd pair anyways since Anderson and Chychrun will play above him. Like it really depends . But I like the make of this team and Chychrun is still young and you get Faber and Clarke soon on that right side</div></div>

I think it's more cost management, lack of depth at LD, and that Bjornfot is very young (20), in 2022 the Kings will have $22+M for just their top-4 if they get Chychrun. The Kings could roll with Bjornfot and Clarke with both on ELCs and maintain cap room for the rest of the team.

Optionally the team could roll with Maata (this season) or Walker (next season) in 3LD. I think the goal for Blake will be to move Walker / let Maata walk and complete the defensive pairings in the cheapest way he can for the next 2-3 years, so he can focus on landing a top-line winger.

Potential Lines for 2022-23

Anderson (up for a new contract $3-4M)-Doughty ($11M)

Chychrun (4 .6M) - Roy (3.15M)

Bjornfot($894K)-Durzi (Low hit on the cap) OR Clarke(ELC)
Forum: Armchair-GM27 août 2020 à 17 h 5
Sujet: Boom Prepped for Stanley come at me
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JaredOfLondon</b></div><div>that's hilarious, they should be doing everything they can to get out from under that contract, especially if someone offers a better goalie who is paid less</div></div>

Why? Quick is a leader, a team guy, fan favorite, and everything they want in a mentor for the kids on the team. They don't need the cap space, so why would they try and move his contract? Petersen will take over as the starter in 2021-22 (he'll be Quick's backup for one more season), and will only be making six-figures. They're still paying less on their goaltending tandem than most teams in the league,

Quick actually played exceptionally well over the last couple months of the season, compiling a 2.27 GAA and .923 SV% since Jan 1, despite still playing behind the 30th ranked Kings. He's not going to get another Vezina nomination, but he's still got some game left in him.
Forum: Armchair-GM12 août 2020 à 20 h 15
Sujet: Idea
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>PinkWhitney</b></div><div>The Kings don't need to give up Roy and Lizotte to get something good. They can fill that need through the draft, free agency, or use some prospects and picks to get someone better than Kapanen later on. Kings don't need a top 6 desperately or right now and certainly not at the cost of Roy and Lizotte.

If Walker doesn't fit the bill for Toronto then they shouldn't make a trade at all.

Where do you get this Kapanen is a top 6 winger thing?
He's gotten over 40 points once or twice on the 3rd line playing with Kadri, Kerfoot, Mikheyev, and Johnsson in a very offensive system. He's never been more than a 3RW and I think it is safe to say his production will go down significantly if he played on the Kings next season.

Losing Roy and Lizotte is a lot to risk for a guy that may not be the 2RW they hope for.

I dont know a lot about SDA, but it has him listed as a center and that's a position the Kings are stacked at. Of course that's just an add on to make the value even so it doesn't really matter.

I understand Roy is better used as a bottom pair RD, but so was Martinez and look how that worked out in 2012 and 2014. They are both great shot blockers and clutch.

I can see Lizotte being one of the best 4Cs in the game and he will be able to fill in at 3C when needed. That will be very useful in the playoffs.

I don't think it's worth it unless Walker is the one leaving.</div></div>

I don't disagree. I think the Leafs would probably just choose not to make a trade.

I do think Kapanen is a top-six player. Certainly so on the Kings. He's a faster, less snipey version of Tyler Toffoli. The only person I'd put him behind is Brown.

However, I think the Kings should pursue re-signing Toffoli if Vancouver doesn't extend him. He'd probably put up more goals than Kapanen would, but he'd also cost an extra $3M per season. The Kings wouldn't have to give up anything to get him though.

SDA is a depth forward. He'd fill a 3C or 4C spot. With Lizotte and Amadio leaving soon, there'd be a spot for him. The real benefit is that he's expansion draft exempt, whereas Lizotte is not.

Lizotte had a quality season, but the Kings are taking a gamble that he can maintain his play past his rookie season. If he has a sophomore slump, then he goes from a point where you can sell high on him, to him being another replacement level player that barely warrants a mid-round pick. Hopefully that doesn't happen, but it's a definite possibility. Even at his ceiling, he's not the caliber of player that Kapanen is.
Forum: Armchair-GM6 juill. 2020 à 1 h 36
Sujet: Combining Some Trade Ideas
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bf3351</b></div><div>I disagree. Both Lizotte and Roy were incredibly good for their first and second seasons. Way too soon to give up on them.

To assume Kapanen is a top 6 winger is sort of a stretch. Yes he has played very well for being tied to 3rd line minutes, but he also plays in a very offense oriented system which the Kings are not. Who would be shocked if his production went down significantly? Which is a likely outcome especially since he'll be playing on a rebuilding team for the first time in his young career. I don't know anything about that prospect so I can't comment on that.

While I'm with you on the AZ trade proposal, I think you seem to be a little more focused on helping out other teams more considering that Toronto doesn't make sense as well as the NYI trade if you think about it. Hjarmarsson and Grabner make way more sense than Leddy and Komorov so can we please get over the NYI idea... We have Bjornfot who is NHL ready, but may play another season in the AHL. Leddy and Komorov have 2 years left on their contracts starting next season while Hjarmarsson and Grabner have 1.

I also don't know why you are sold on seattle most likely taking Lizotte when we have Walker, Roy, Frk, and more. If Frk has a good season I'm sure he will be considered. Plus there are all kinds of ways Blake can convince Seattle to not take Lizotte. Like giving some kind of compensation. By the way, the expansion draft might be postponed. So I wouldn't start focusing on that right away.</div></div>

I agree that both Lizotte and Roy were both good this season, but you have to account for their potential. Roy is a bottom pairing defenseman and Lizotte is a bottom-six forward. They both did admirably well for the Kings, but they're not going to climb much higher on the depth chart. In Kapanen, you get a quality winger that has proven that he can play at the NHL level. The Kings don't have much talent in the prospect pipeline at wing. If Kaliyev doesn't work out, then the Kings quite literally have zero top-six capable RWs under the age of 30. With Lizotte and Roy's trade value extremely high right now, there's no better time to trade them.

I agree that Arizona is the better option, but I also think that Arizona is much less inclined to trade Hjalmarsson than the Islanders are to trade Leddy. The fact that they each only have 1 year remaining on their deals means that Arizona is going to want more in return. You're not going to be able to give up a 6th and get Hammer, even if you take Grabner's contract. There's also Hjalmarsson's full NMC to account for. I think Leddy is a much more realistic option, which is why I went with that one.

For the expansion draft, if Walker and Roy are still on the Kings, they'll both be protected. That means the Kings will either have to go 4/4/1 with their protection list or leave Clague exposed. As we learned from the Vegas expansion draft, defensemen carry a premium, and Clague will surely be the one taken if he is left exposed. With the value he carries, I think that would be a mistake. The Kings could trade him instead, but having only a handful of games under his belt, he's not going to get anywhere near the return that they could get for Roy.

If both Frk and Lizotte are exposed, Lizotte will most certainly be the player taken, simply due to his age. He's 4 years younger than Frk and price controlled for another 5+ seasons. Don't forget, Frk is a player that Detroit, the worst team in the league, chose not to qualify last summer, making him a UFA. He spent the majority of the season in the minors. He's not the type of player that you use for your selection in the expansion draft.

I don't think there's any reason to suspect the expansion draft will be postponed. If the season runs long, they might postpone it from June to August or something, but it's not going to be pushed back beyond 2021. Seattle has spent a ton of money getting their team and arena ready. The draft is happening. <a href="https://www.thefourthperiod.com/jun-2020/seattle-arena-opening-pushed-2021-drafts-unlikely" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">Due to COVID-19 related delays in arena construction</a>, it might not happen in Seattle as originally planned, but it's absolutely going to happen next summer.
Forum: Armchair-GM30 juin 2020 à 19 h 7
Sujet: Draft Day Trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bf3351</b></div><div>There was a time when Kopitar was one of the best centers in the league. Nobody said he had the potential to be one of the best.</div></div>

I disagree. Kopitar was the #1 ranked European prospect going into the draft, and people had him pegged as an elite talent. They didn't really do overall rankings back then, but mock drafts had Kopitar in the 5/6 range. He fell to 11 because of the normal anti-European sentiments back then, and worry that he might not come over to the NHL.

Here's a mock draft from 2005 showing Kopitar at #6 overall. It has him going to Columbus and Price going to LA at #11. Montreal went off the board and took Price at #5, and Brule "fell" to Columbus at #6. However, I bet Chicago, San Jose, Vancouver, Ottawa and Vancouver all feel pretty dumb for their anti-European bias.

<a href="http://hockeytraderumors.com/thecoachs-2005-mock-draft/" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">http://hockeytraderumors.com/thecoachs-2005-mock-draft/</a>

Key takeaway: "He is raw, and you’ll likely have to wait a year or two, but in terms of potential, he is one of the best."

It literally says in the draft profile that he has the potential to be one of the best.
Forum: Armchair-GM30 juin 2020 à 16 h 37
Sujet: Draft Day Trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bf3351</b></div><div>I'm glad you feel better about Byfield than I do.
Time will tell.
Regardless we need someone who can play wing. We already have a franchise center that has comparisons to Kopitar in Vilardi as well as another potential 1C in Turcotte.
You underestimate Stutzle and seem blind to the flaws in Byfields game.</div></div>

I don't underestimate Stutzle. I think he'll be an exceptional player in the NHL. Any team that gets him has a potential franchise player on their hands. I think he's on equal footing with Byfield right now, and the only reason why I lean towards Byfield is because he's a year younger. Byfield is significantly closer to where Lafreniere was at this point 12 months ago. I'm excited to see where Byfield could be 12 months from now.

Every player has flaws in his game. The flaws in Byfield's game are just hugely overshadowed by his strengths, and in areas that can be improved upon through professional coaching.

Stutzle's flaws are his strength and shot. Here's another quote from a direct comparison of both players:

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ben Misfeldt, The Prospect Network</b></div><div>In the DEL this season, Stützle’s lack of strength was noticeable. When defenders were able to get to him, he got pushed off the puck quite easily, often falling to the ice when faced with obstruction. Building strength will be a key for Stützle’s transition to the NHL.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ben Misfeldt, The Prospect Network</b></div><div>Stützle’s shot is a significant weakness for him right now. It’s below average and is very reminiscent of Jack Hughes’ last year, in that they are both getting a lot of scoring opportunities but are rarely putting the puck in the net. He’s capable of scoring flashy goals but most of the time it’s a weak, sporadic shot on net.</div></div>

<img class="for_img" src="https://bbprospectshome.files.wordpress.com/2020/05/byfield-stutzle-1.png?w=414&amp;h=453" alt="byfield-stutzle-1.png?w=414&amp;h=453">

Strength and shot are two areas that you can't really teach. You either have it or you don't. Hopefully Stutzle can grow into his frame and work on the physicality issue, as the lack of strength is only going to magnify when he starts playing against the biggest and strongest players in the world in the NHL. The shot issue is concerning as well. However, neither are dealbreakers. Like I said, anyone that gets Stutzle is getting a quality player.
Forum: Armchair-GM30 juin 2020 à 15 h 36
Sujet: Draft Day Trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bf3351</b></div><div>You obviously haven't watched enough of Byfield. The Malkin comparison is a bad one. Malkin is a hard hitting physical player with elite playmaking ability and a great goal scorer. Malkin's an extremely creative goalscorer, he can score in a million different ways.

Byfield is 6'4 with close to zero physicality in his game. He is not an elite playmaker and sometimes has difficulty making the hard to execute passes. He is a really good goal scorer, but somewhat limited in goal scoring. Not the most creative. Another thing I can't stand about his game is his tendency to get caught watching the play in his own end, as a center that is not a good sign. He doesn't have the best work ethic either. Of course he is a 17 year old prospect so he has time to improve his game. I project him as at least 3 years from making the NHL. It is most definitely very generous to compare him to Malkin, but the comparison is still very inaccurate.

I strongly suggest you watch more of Byfield and Stutzle so you know what we are getting into with the two of them.</div></div>

I have watched extensive highlights of both players and am equally impressed by them. I was previously leaning towards Stutzle until I learned about the age disparity between the players. Byfield is 7 months younger and a year behind in his development process. Given another year to develop, I can only imagine how far ahead his game will be next year.

I'm not sure where you get that Byfield isn't very physical. I mean sure, he's not a 4th line player that's out there looking to destroy players on every shift, but he definitely throws the body around. The nice part is that he doesn't really need to. He can beat you with his speed and puck skills. Some of his highlights remind me of Peter Forsberg, Jason Allison, and Anze Kopitar, and how they use their body to separate players from the puck. Once he gets the puck on his stick, you're not taking it from him. Here's a quote describing his play without the puck:

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Josh Bell, The Hockey Writers</b></div><div>Without the puck, opposing teams should be worried. He’s very likely to get it away from you through a hard forecheck or an effective backcheck. He causes a great number of turnovers with his long reach and his size and strength allow him to push opposing players off the puck. And remember, he’s still 17 years old. He’s still growing and he’ll continue to get stronger.</div></div>

I think he'll probably need another season in junior before he's ready for the NHL, but projecting 3 years out is unrealistic.

Additionally, pretty much every scout praises Byfield's two-way game. I've heard the knocks on his playmaking ability, saying that it is "only very good" but not elite, but nothing knocking his work ethic or defensive play. All reports that I have read have given him top marks in both areas.

The Malkin comparable is not one that I came up with. Several scouts use that to describe him. Craig Button and Larry Fisher both make that comparison in <a href="https://thehockeywriters.com/2020-nhl-draft-quinton-byfield-underrated/" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">this article</a>, with additional comparisons to Auston Matthews and Anze Kopitar for certain aspects of their game. A quick Google search will show that several other scouts have made the same comparison to Malkin. The other comparison I have heard is Eric Staal. None of the comparisons made are bad company.

You also have to remember the competition that each player is playing against. Byfield is playing against some of the best 16-20 year olds in the best junior league in the world, while Stutzle is playing in a 7th or 8th tier men's professional league. I'd be much more confident in his abilities if he were playing in the SEL or Liiga, but the German league isn't really anything to get excited about. The league leader in scoring is <a href="https://www.capfriendly.com/players/wayne-simpson">Wayne Simpson</a>, a player that was passed over multiple times in the NHL entry draft, who failed to crack an NHL roster. It's no surprise that Stutzle looks good against that competition.

I'm not saying that Byfield is the clear cut choice above Stutzle, either player would be a fine addition to the Kings. I'm just saying that I wouldn't dismiss Byfield for the reasons you describe either.
Forum: Armchair-GM30 juin 2020 à 14 h 30
Sujet: Draft Day Trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bf3351</b></div><div>Byfields ceiling isn't much higher than Vilardis or Turcottes.</div></div>

Ooh, yea, I don't agree with this one. Vilardi and Turcotte are both going to be fine players in the NHL, but Byfield is projected to be a franchise player. His main comparable has been Evgeni Malkin. Neither Turcotte nor Vilardi have that potential.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bf3351</b></div><div>Kings dont want offensive players. They play defense first hockey. Look what happens when you have too many offensive players like Toronto. They break your bank.</div></div>

This used to be true. However, I think that the Kings are moving away from this philosophy. At the state of the franchise event in 2018, Blake said that offense will no longer take a backseat to defense. I think they'd still like to get defensively responsible players, but they're not going to be stacking their bottom six with guys like Trevor Lewis and Dwight King anymore. I don't think we're going to be run-and-gun like the Penguins or Maple Leafs and just throw defense out the window, but defense isn't going to be this team's religion anymore.

I'm honestly good with either Byfield or Stutzle. If the Kings can pick up a quality asset by trading down from 2 to 3 and letting Ottawa take their choice, then I'd be ok with that. There's no way they trade down to #5 though.
Forum: Armchair-GM30 juin 2020 à 14 h 18
Sujet: Draft Day Trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>csick</b></div><div>Id have Raymond or Rossi at 5</div></div>

Rossi is definetly the best player right now but I don't think he has much more potential to grow. He has already reached pretty much his max physical capactiy where the rest of these guys have some room to grow. I'd have Rossi and Drysdale as 7/8 for Ottawa to take but they will go higher than I'd like them at.

As cool as it would be to get a 67's player Rossi and Quinn both has flash in the pan seasons on the best junior team the CHL has seen in a long time. Neither of them were close to that good the season before and I wouldn't be surprised if neither of them lived up to the hype. IMO the last 67's player we took was Ceci and we should stay away again this year
Forum: Armchair-GM27 juin 2020 à 16 h 16
Forum: Armchair-GM27 juin 2020 à 15 h 12
Sujet: kings with Stutzle
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bf3351</b></div><div>Malkin is a hard hitting physical player, Byfield is not.
We are not playing pure centermen in Turcotte and Vilardi on the wing just to draft Byfield, it doesn't make sense. I am willing to bet Stutzle will be the better player.
I don't know why you are trying to convince me that drafting Byfield is the better option for the Kings when it is not. I think I know my team better than a Canucks fan. You clearly haven't watched Byfield enough and not aware of the issues in his game.</div></div>

Vilardi played wing in his draft year. Clearly its not some insurmountable thing that he must play center to be effective. Didn't Turcotte play wing at the WJC?

If you believe Stutzle will be the better player then there's really no arguing. You take the better player every time. I'm just not convinced he will be better than Byfield long term.

The Canucks have two young centers actually established in the league in Pettersson and Horvat and I would still take Byfield over Stutzle if I was in that position. It's not even a question as to whether we have centers or not, we already do. Move Pettersson to wing and continue on.

I get that there are issues with Byfield's game, I guess I just have more confidence that what he shows as a physically mature 28 year old will be better than what he shows as a raw 17 year old. I would send him back to the OHL next season too; he's not ready for the NHL. Let him dominate for a year and grow some more.