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How much for Zegras

Créé par: Taranta_man
Équipe: 2024-25 Ducks d'Anaheim
Date de création initiale: 27 mai 2024
Publié: 27 mai 2024
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I want Habs and ducks fans opinions on how much is an acceptable price for Zegras?
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    27 mai à 20 h 59
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    Pieces you're not willing to I've up, More than likely starts with Reinbacher.
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    27 mai à 21 h 2
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    I’m not a Habs or Ducks, but I think it would probably look like Jones/Johansen, or Sergachev/Drouin. So perhaps…Reinbacher or Guhle?
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    27 mai à 21 h 16
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    Reinbacher and next year's MTL second

    This years MTL 1st, Beck, and Kovacevic

    Select one of those two options.
    27 mai à 21 h 22
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    I don't think Anaheim would trade Zegras for futures. Doesn't really make any sense. Would probably be a PLD for Laine type trade. I'm not sure who MTL's version of Laine is. Maybe Guhle?
    27 mai à 21 h 29
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    Quoting: GiggywithGibby
    Reinbacher and next year's MTL second

    This years MTL 1st, Beck, and Kovacevic

    Select one of those two options.


    Quoting this so they can read it again
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    27 mai à 21 h 30
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    Anaheim isn’t trading Zegras for futures, it’s completely counterproductive to trade away Zegras unless it’s for a position we need who’s aged in the timeline that fits the Ducks.

    Montreal has no RW’s that fit this and there’s no reason to trade for Reinbacher if the Ducks can draft and sign one this summer.
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    27 mai à 21 h 31
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    Quoting: MasterLevi
    I don't think Anaheim would trade Zegras for futures. Doesn't really make any sense. Would probably be a PLD for Laine type trade. I'm not sure who MTL's version of Laine is. Maybe Guhle?


    Quoting: MasterLevi
    I don't think Anaheim would trade Zegras for futures. Doesn't really make any sense. Would probably be a PLD for Laine type trade. I'm not sure who MTL's version of Laine is. Maybe Guhle?

    Why would they trade for a win now guy if they’re not close to the playoffs?
    27 mai à 21 h 36
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    No one is giving what ANA “wants” forget 5th OA or Rein, or even Guhle.

    Zegras isn’t worth that, and MTL knows that
    27 mai à 21 h 42
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    Zegras is a 70 pts horrid defensively « superstar ». He is worth 10 OA and even then it’s a big overpay
    27 mai à 21 h 44
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    Quoting: Taranta_man
    Why would they trade for a win now guy if they’re not close to the playoffs?


    Because they want to compete now? They're just coming out of a rebuild. I'm not sure why they'd want prospects who are 2 years away.
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    27 mai à 21 h 44
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    As a Habs fan, I hope the Habs stay far from this player.
    I wouldn't want him on the team.
    He isn't worth Reinbacher. Not worth the 5th overall.
    That's just my opinion.
    No abuse please
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    27 mai à 21 h 50
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    Quoting: Caufield
    No one is giving what ANA “wants” forget 5th OA or Rein, or even Guhle.

    Zegras isn’t worth that, and MTL knows that


    5th overall is hard to see (just because they never are traded). But one of those dmen could work if both sides needs are met.
    27 mai à 21 h 50
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    Quoting: Caufield
    No one is giving what ANA “wants” forget 5th OA or Rein, or even Guhle.

    Zegras isn’t worth that, and MTL knows that


    Would be shocked if this is actually what Anaheim “wants” just seems to be what delusional Anaheim fans think. Anaheim has done nothing but tear down zegras over and over. They’ve thrown away all leverage they had and have completely diminished his trade value.
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    27 mai à 21 h 51
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    Quoting: GuyGuyGuy
    Zegras is a 70 pts horrid defensively « superstar ». He is worth 10 OA and even then it’s a big overpay


    Hey. Not your pick.
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    27 mai à 21 h 53
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    Quoting: NHLfan10506
    5th overall is hard to see (just because they never are traded). But one of those dmen could work if both sides needs are met.

    Not really, both those guys are absolute key. If one of those guys was traded for Zegras, it would be Drouin 2.0 almost guaranteed. Zegras, even if he can be good, will be inconsistent all his career, and these 2 guys will be top 4 (likely top 2) consistent guys
    27 mai à 21 h 57
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    Quoting: Caufield
    Not really, both those guys are absolute key. If one of those guys was traded for Zegras, it would be Drouin 2.0 almost guaranteed. Zegras, even if he can be good, will be inconsistent all his career, and these 2 guys will be top 4 (likely top 2) consistent guys

    How do you know what his career will look like?
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    27 mai à 22 h 5
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    Quoting: Taranta_man
    How do you know what his career will look like?


    A guy doesn’t go from 65 pt season to under half a ppg from a season to another.

    Inconsistent
    27 mai à 22 h 10
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    Habs pass
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    27 mai à 22 h 11
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    Quoting: Caufield
    A guy doesn’t go from 65 pt season to under half a ppg from a season to another.

    Inconsistent

    Oh kinda like how Cole Caufield was scoring on a 40 goal pace at the end of 21-22 and then immediately reverted to a 20 goal scorer
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    27 mai à 22 h 15
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    Oh kinda like how Cole Caufield was scoring on a 40 goal pace at the end of 21-22 and then immediately reverted to a 20 goal scorer


    Yep, Trying to insult with facts is a good one man. We’re all aware Caufield has consistency issues, and hopefully he can fix that. And obviously MTL wouldn’t get Mintyukov or 3rd OA for Cole, he isn’t worth that. Both Caufield and Zegras are likely worth 7th to 11th OA, but not guys like Guhle, Reinbacher, Mintyukov
    27 mai à 23 h 3
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    Quoting: MoSeider53
    Pieces you're not willing to I've up, More than likely starts with Reinbacher.


    For a guy who regressed, and was outscored by Luke Kunin at the World Championship. Ducks should be lucky if the get Barron and a 2nd for him at this point
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    27 mai à 23 h 36
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    Quoting: Caufield
    A guy doesn’t go from 65 pt season to under half a ppg from a season to another.

    Inconsistent


    Quoting: JeffGorton
    For a guy who regressed, and was outscored by Luke Kunin at the World Championship. Ducks should be lucky if the get Barron and a 2nd for him at this point

    Inconsistent? Regressed? That's a laughably horrible homer take. Did you miss the fact that he was on the injured list for 51 games? It was in all the papers.

    In the 20 games this season that he played without injury, he recorded 15 points. You can do the math.

    Despite his lost season, over his entire career he is still a 0.73 PPG player, just like Cole Caufield, with whom you should be familiar.

    He is -40 in 211 games -- pretty comparable to Cole Caufield (-39), with whom you should be familiar.

    He doesn't deserve to be sent to Montreal.
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    27 mai à 23 h 49
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    Quoting: OldNYIfan
    Inconsistent? Regressed? That's a laughably horrible homer take. Did you miss the fact that he was on the injured list for 51 games? It was in all the papers.

    In the 20 games this season that he played without injury, he recorded 15 points. You can do the math.

    Despite his lost season, over his entire career he is still a 0.73 PPG player, just like Cole Caufield, with whom you should be familiar.

    He is -40 in 211 games -- pretty comparable to Cole Caufield (-39), with whom you should be familiar.

    He doesn't deserve to be sent to Montreal.


    Funny that you call me the homer, when I admit the truth, and you don’t (check my quote above). There is absolutely no excuse for Zegras’s production this year, it was terrible. Those 51 games don’t even count in the stats, so idk what you are on about (15/31=0.48, which is under half a ppg).
    If a player is truly injured, he doesn’t play, simple as that. Caufield also played hurt the entire season, but we’re not using it as an excuse cause he does need to get better, and MTL fans can acknowledge that.

    Have absolutely no clue why you bring Caufield in a discussion where he is absolutely not relevant, but MTL are not interested in a guy even more inconsistent than Caufield.

    If you don’t want Zegras to improve, than I hope you’re satisfied with your 50 pt forward
    28 mai à 0 h 19
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    It doesn't matter what evidence we provide Habs fans, they keep regurgitating the **** stew they read in the media. "he's nothing but a one trick pony" " he can't play defense" and "he's only a 60 point player"

    As if they have a crystal ball to know the future of a barely 23 year old player.

    The facts are, Zegras season was derailed by injuries, for the first time in his career, so he's not injury prone. Zegras put up 60+ twice on his ELC, that's incredibly rare amongst players, even in the modern era. He's under contract for two more seasons and his RFA rights are intact after that. We've got plenty of time to let his supposed "regression" recover. His defensive game is markedly better than the last two seasons, but hey, that doesn't fit the media narrative, now does it? People also seem to forget that current star players in their prime weren't any good defensively at the start of their 20s, it's a skill that develops over time with maturity. Eichel wasn't any good defensively at 22 either.

    And most recently, the double standard that's been applied to Zegras versus other players has been outright despicable. The Seattle broadcast "calling his contacts at the league" over the camera in the penalty box, when the NHL themselves published a highlight reel of players breaking the camera in penalty boxes? You've got to be F***ing kidding me.
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