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Équipe: 2024-25 Flames de Calgary
Date de création initiale: 27 mai 2024
Publié: 27 mai 2024
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More wingers probably get moved mid year. I wanted to explore this possible Markstrom trade with Buffalo, a trade for a younger player, and a possible Andersson trade. Any suggestions on trade values are welcome!
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  1. Krebs, Peyton [Droits de RFA]
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (BUF)
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  1. Coronato, Matthew
  2. Markström, Jacob (3 000 000 $ retained)
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (VAN)
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Hasn’t worked out for him in Buffalo. I’d like for Calgary to take a flyer on him. Hometown kid and all. Calgary’s gonna want a 1st for Markstrom and a Center (if the speculation around Dawson Mercer and the failed NJ deal is to be believed). I think this deal is palatable for both teams. I like Coronato a lot but I think using him as a sweetener to get 11th OVA might help push this over the edge.
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Or Future Considerations.
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  1. Mangiapane, Andrew
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If there’s a market trade him. I’ve racked my head trying to figure out his value it’s simply to hard to gauge.
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  1. Minten, Fraser
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (TOR)
  3. Choix de 3e ronde en 2026 (TOR)
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  1. Andersson, Rasmus (2 225 000 $ retained)
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I really like Minten as a prospect, he’s not Cowan but it would be impossible to pry him from Toronto. A 1st, good prospect, and a 3rd to pay for retention seems fair.
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  1. Barron, Justin [Droits de RFA]
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  1. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (CGY)
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2026 (CGY)
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It’s going to be very difficult for the Habs to do much with Barron unfortunately. Their D-Corp is pretty well constructed and it’s hard to see him slot back into the lineup. This roughly recuperates their investment not sure how much value would have to go the other way for Montreal to close on this. I could see a swap between honzek and Barron similar to the Mittelstadt/Byram swap we saw earlier this year. Calgary needs more RD prospects/players and he’s roughly the same age as Zary/Pospisil/Pelletier, that group needs more another D in around their age bracket.
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27 mai à 17 h 32
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Don't the Sabres already have a million good forward prospects?

I don't see them having interest in Eat Bread.

That's not getting Andersson.
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I'm not sure where Jacob Markstrom is heading this summer, But it sure isn't Buffalo. Perhaps they re-visit New jersey. And ownership won't allow retention with multiple years left either.
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Flames aren't going to sell low on Coronato and Buffalo doesn't need a goalie with the emergence of UPL.
Mangiapane is worth WAY more than a 4th, Calgary isn't going to sell low on him and will easily get a good return for him at the deadline with retention
Minten is a decent prospect but probably peaks as a 3C. Overall an underwhelming return for Andersson
Massive overpay for Barron, he's waiver fodder in a few months
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27 mai à 17 h 38
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Minten is untouchable.
27 mai à 17 h 54
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I think Montreal does that for Barron. He's young and has plenty of room to grow, but Habs have a logjam on D but could use assets for forward help, either by trade or drafting. Barron could do well in Calgary
27 mai à 18 h 1
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Don't the Sabres already have a million good forward prospects?

I don't see them having interest in Eat Bread.

That's not getting Andersson.


They do, and most are undersized. The Sabres don't need Coronato and they don't need markstrom either. This is really bad for buffalo, there's no piece that I would move 11oa for. Having said that, Krebs is on the clock, if he doesn't force his way onto the 3rd line, he's probably gonna be a buy low change of scenery guy by the end of next year.
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Leafs accept !
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Flames aren't going to sell low on Coronato and Buffalo doesn't need a goalie with the emergence of UPL.
Mangiapane is worth WAY more than a 4th, Calgary isn't going to sell low on him and will easily get a good return for him at the deadline with retention
Minten is a decent prospect but probably peaks as a 3C. Overall an underwhelming return for Andersson
Massive overpay for Barron, he's waiver fodder in a few months


The chances that Barron is waiver fodder in a few months is about as good as Calgary valuing Coronato or Mangiapane as nil or negative value.
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27 mai à 18 h 29
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I think Montreal does that for Barron. He's young and has plenty of room to grow, but Habs have a logjam on D but could use assets for forward help, either by trade or drafting. Barron could do well in Calgary


The problem is that they have a TON of LHD, RHD however are much more sparce, so if they were to trade one, it would probably be a Harris or Struble.
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Habs have 3 RD for the future, and Barron is one of them
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The chances that Barron is waiver fodder in a few months is about as good as Calgary valuing Coronato or Mangiapane as nil or negative value.


No it's actually significantly higher. Unless Barron takes drastic steps this summer he will remain the 10th best defenseman in Montreal's pool. And considering Montreal's D-core is currently one of the worst in the league that really emphasizes where he stands. I don't think Hughes is dumb enough to block Reinbacher or Mailloux from making the team just so he can keep Barron as a healthy scratch
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27 mai à 18 h 42
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No it's actually significantly higher. Unless Barron takes drastic steps this summer he will remain the 10th best defenseman in Montreal's pool. And considering Montreal's D-core is currently one of the worst in the league that really emphasizes where he stands. I don't think Hughes is dumb enough to block Reinbacher or Mailloux from making the team just so he can keep Barron as a healthy scratch


Lol, Barron is not the "10th best defenseman in Montreal's pool." Even if you include guys who have played no NHL games or only a couple. You don't like him or think Montreal's got 9 other "one of the worst" D better? Fine, but your assessment of both Barron as a player and of Montreal's D-core doesn't make any sense.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Flames aren't going to sell low on Coronato and Buffalo doesn't need a goalie with the emergence of UPL.
Mangiapane is worth WAY more than a 4th, Calgary isn't going to sell low on him and will easily get a good return for him at the deadline with retention
Minten is a decent prospect but probably peaks as a 3C. Overall an underwhelming return for Andersson
Massive overpay for Barron, he's waiver fodder in a few months


What do you think the realistic value of Mangaipane is this off season? I find he could be an interesting option for Buffalo
27 mai à 18 h 56
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Lol, Barron is not the "10th best defenseman in Montreal's pool." Even if you include guys who have played no NHL games or only a couple. You don't like him or think Montreal's got 9 other "one of the worst" D better? Fine, but your assessment of both Barron as a player and of Montreal's D-core doesn't make any sense.

Barron is below:
Guhle
Matheson
Savard
Harris
Xhekaj
Kovacevic
Hutson
Mailloux
Reinbacher

That's 9 defensemen.

It is also factual that Montreal has one of the worst d-core's in the NHL right now. That is mainly due to having an average age of 25.3 though. It takes time for defensemen to develop but ~3 years from now a core of Guhle, Mailloux, Reinbacher, and Hutson will probably be quite good.
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What do you think the realistic value of Mangaipane is this off season? I find he could be an interesting option for Buffalo


In this offseason? Without retention he is pretty close to unmovable. The winger market is far too flooded to try and sell him at his current cap hit (ie why trade assets for Mangiapane when you can sign a similar player in Teravainen for 6M without spending assets). By the deadline his value will go up significantly, especially if Calgary retains. not only is the cap hit 2.9M instead of 5.8M but it is also ~80% prorated so a team would be getting him at ~580k
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Value is honestly pretty good but Sabres don't rly need a goalie

We'd certainly take Mangiapane for that price though!
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Swap out Barron and insert Harris and you're on the money.
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1. Absolutely not. Calgary says no, Buffalo doesn't need a goalie or another small forward anyhow.
2. No
3. Close but takes a bit more especially if Toronto wants retention.
4. Absolutely not. Calgary isn't interested in Montreal's reject defensemen and certainly won't be paying a premium for a player who will be on waivers soon.
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Would cost a lot more to get Barron. People acting like a 22 year old RHD is going for nothing? Habs would trade Savard, Harris and struble before Barron is on the move
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Would cost a lot more to get Barron. People acting like a 22 year old RHD is going for nothing? Habs would trade Savard, Harris and struble before Barron is on the move


If Baron was a skill player, a physical player or a decent stay at home type you'd have a point but Baron is none of those things. He and Harris will both be on waivers soon enough.
27 mai à 20 h 43
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If Baron was a skill player, a physical player or a decent stay at home type you'd have a point but Baron is none of those things. He and Harris will both be on waivers soon enough.


I will say if they do get put on waivers 31 teams will be making a claim on them. Idk how often you watch them play but teams would be willing to pay for a 22 RHD with roughly 100 NHL games
27 mai à 23 h 5
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Give the Habs the Leafs first and you can have Barron and a 3rd. Hughes has stated that hes not interested in later round picks. They want quality, not quantity
28 mai à 14 h 56
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Barron is below:
Guhle
Matheson
Savard
Harris
Xhekaj
Kovacevic
Hutson
Mailloux
Reinbacher

That's 9 defensemen.

It is also factual that Montreal has one of the worst d-core's in the NHL right now. That is mainly due to having an average age of 25.3 though. It takes time for defensemen to develop but ~3 years from now a core of Guhle, Mailloux, Reinbacher, and Hutson will probably be quite good.


Barron is only below Hutson, Mailloux and Reinbacher in terms of upside (which does not matter in the present). He is simply not below Kovacevic or Harris. He's not even really below Xhekaj, Xhekaj just has a more uniqur/rare/valuable playstyle. It is factual that Montreal's D sucks.

You seem to be conflating your personal opinion of Barron with what Montreal will do. Montreal (or any team) is not going to dump a 22 year old RHD who has been good and shown growth for most of his career to make room for waiver exempt D that have even more work to do, LHD with less upside and impact, and replaceable veterans. Barron would need to stall for a much longer period of time and multiple guys would need to take big steps for that to happen.
28 mai à 15 h 14
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Barron is only below Hutson, Mailloux and Reinbacher in terms of upside (which does not matter in the present). He is simply not below Kovacevic or Harris. He's not even really below Xhekaj, Xhekaj just has a more uniqur/rare/valuable playstyle. It is factual that Montreal's D sucks.

You seem to be conflating your personal opinion of Barron with what Montreal will do. Montreal (or any team) is not going to dump a 22 year old RHD who has been good and shown growth for most of his career to make room for waiver exempt D that have even more work to do, LHD with less upside and impact, and replaceable veterans. Barron would need to stall for a much longer period of time and multiple guys would need to take big steps for that to happen.


Barron is not nearly as defensively reliable as Harris and Kovacevic, he does not bring the type of game that Xhekaj does, and as long as Savard is there he won't take that spot either. We will see once camp roles around but I would be shocked if he outperforms both Mailloux and Reinbacher.

Lets clarify, I am not calling Barron a bust, I am saying his trade value is borderline non-existent right now. Most teams have a Barron caliber player in their prospect pool already. Hell Ottawa placed both Bernard-Docker and Thomson on waivers last year, can you say with certainty that Barron is better than both of them at this point in time? Ask yourself, how much would you pay for Simon Holmstrom or Peyton Krebs right now? Probably not much
28 mai à 15 h 37
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Barron is not nearly as defensively reliable as Harris and Kovacevic, he does not bring the type of game that Xhekaj does, and as long as Savard is there he won't take that spot either. We will see once camp roles around but I would be shocked if he outperforms both Mailloux and Reinbacher.

Lets clarify, I am not calling Barron a bust, I am saying his trade value is borderline non-existent right now. Most teams have a Barron caliber player in their prospect pool already. Hell Ottawa placed both Bernard-Docker and Thomson on waivers last year, can you say with certainty that Barron is better than both of them at this point in time? Ask yourself, how much would you pay for Simon Holmstrom or Peyton Krebs right now? Probably not much


There is not that much difference defensively between Barron and guys like Harris or Kovacevic, the difference is that Harris and Kovacevic generally played lower in the lineup against weaker competition and Barron was tasked to play a more offensive oriented role.

I'll once again reiterate that I do not care about Barron's trade value, so its irrelevant what I think Holmstrom or Krebs (or Coronato or Pelletier). Montreal is not going trade him or dump him to make room for players you think are further along than they actually are or for players that haven't had the same impact or upside.
 
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