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Forum: Armchair-GMdim. à 5 h 47
Sujet: Whats the cost for these players with retention
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jonh514</b></div><div>It's a weird thing to say, but I think MTL wants to keep both guys. Armia was our, by-far, best penalty killer last year. He also stepped up his offensive game after working with a sports psychologist. I have him slotted to have a career season next year playing with Newhook &amp; Roy.

Dvorak... it's not that the Habs would never trade him, but there are injuries in every season and he's a really good, albeit overpaid, bottom 6 center. I know most Habs fans around here hate him, but I don't think the Habs management feel the same.</div></div>

I agree honestly everyone tries to trade out the old guys and say it is to create room but i think management and Coaches like to have those stable guys that can insulate the younger guys a little
Forum: Armchair-GMmer. à 10 h 8
Sujet: GabaGuhle
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RazWild</b></div><div>Guhle is not worth the 13th OVA on just is own. And Habs fans are being delusional, if they think he is. A late mid to late 1st, sure, but he's not bringing you back a top 15 pick on his own. Especially if you're asking said team to just trade out of the 1st round entirely.

Then again, this is coming from a fanbase that thinks Guhle is worth Boldy straight up. So, delusional, isn't anything new.

Even then, asking Minnesota to drop 13 spots in exchange for Guhle is a bit much given how weak this draft class is.

So Minnesota is not doing that.

What value Guhle DOES carry, that difference here means the addition of a solid to decent prospect that's in need of a change of scenery. Anything better than that is going to be off the table. That means you're going to get a Beckman, O'Rourke, or Hunt type of prospect.

Habs don't need LD, which means a forward, ergo Beckman. Enjoy.</div></div>

If you don’t think Ghule is worth the 13th then don’t trade for him, he is a solid young top 4 D that handles big minutes and the toughest matchups for the Habs. The dude isn’t going to be a big point getting D but at his peak I see him as sorta the presence of Shea Weber. A guy you don’t want to mess with and no BS type of D while still able to contribute some offence.

Trading up 13 spots and getting a nothing guy isn’t worth loosing an top 4 D ( younger than the “prospect “ Habs get back)
Forum: Armchair-GM7 juin à 15 h 20
Sujet: Dallas
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>lowblocksniper</b></div><div>He might've been unhappy with the team\play but, they did right by him and traded him to Dallas which helped him. The Habs could do it again with another team
Not everything is a straight dump, the world isn't black and white (Vancouver got something for Beauvilier and Chicago traded him again for the same return and his salary was higher than both players).
Dadonov at the very least would get the Habs a pick at the deadline, Faksa is more iffy because of his salary.</div></div>

That is true, I just don't see the real gain from the Habs here as the RHD isn't a strength in the system so trading a 22 year old RHD doesn't make sense. If habs trade Baron I see more of a hockey trade then a pick trade

I also just think Dadanov will have them on his NT list based on he probably wants to win and knows Habs time frame isn't now.
Forum: Armchair-GM31 mai à 14 h 4
Sujet: Keeping the rebuild going
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JayTea</b></div><div>Assuming by this year you mean 2024/25, they have 19 players signed with $5.9m in caps space which could be more if they move Gus for futures and go with Wallstedt's ELC in his place. Habs don't need a goalie and don't have a player that would match the rumored ask for Rossi which is who the Wild are open to moving. The Wild need a depth dman (probably either Chisholm or a rookie that wins the spot in camp) and a veteran winger (rumor is they want to sign Perron for 1 year) along with some league minimum healthy scratches. None of their needs are things you address with pick 13 (or even pick 16 or 27). There isn't a counter to make.

Again, the Wild's cap situation isn't a problem for the roster they've constructed next year and after that, it gets a little better with the buyouts dropping significantly.</div></div>

Thank you, this is more of what I trying to get out of some of these replies. I understand sometimes the frustration talking with other fan bases but I understand that I don't know more about the Wilds full situation than the actual fans of the team.

Is there any package in your mind that could lead to the Wild trading back in the first round? I just feel Habs could target one of the forwards that could fall, if there isn't a possible option thats fine was just an idea
Forum: Armchair-GM31 mai à 12 h 6
Sujet: Keeping the rebuild going
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JayTea</b></div><div>That's the other issue that keeps being overstated by people who can't be bothered to spend 30 seconds to look at their page on this site. Good, bad, or indifferent, Guerin extending all those players at the start of last season largely gave them a predictable cap situation this year and they actually have some money to spend if they want.

It's frustrating how willfully ignorant people choose to be on a site that has all the info they need if they just take some time and look. I know reading is hard, but man, it's always f'n Habs and Leafs fans.</div></div>

Dude just trying to make some trades ment no disrespect would have rather had a discussion on what the Wild could have countered with than this. I mentioned cap space this year not next I emmited the mistake that I thought the pick was later than it actually was and that is my bad I thought it was closer to 16th.
Forum: Armchair-GM31 mai à 11 h 54
Sujet: Keeping the rebuild going
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GoofyFoFoofy</b></div><div>With the cap going up the Rangers don't need the extra 1.5m in cap space from trading Kakko. They're trying to contend so they'd want a good NHL caliber player coming back (preferably a RW but depends on their needs after the moves theyll make), even better if the player is cost effective, if this means that Kakko will have to be packaged with something else then so be it. Without that you're looking at the value of a late 1st to push this over the line, which sure may be an overpay, but you have to account for what the Rangers want here.</div></div>

Even with the Cap going up currently Rangers have 10.5 mill with 3 RFA to sign, Lindgren, Schneider and Kakko. I expect Ranger would prefer to keep the first 2 mentioned and maybe try to dip into free agent market to improve there forward pool making Kakko expendable.

I do agree that they might pakage him with something to really improve their forwards but I doubt after NYR healthy scratched him in the playoffs a team would be willing to give them top dollar for him
Forum: Armchair-GM31 mai à 11 h 32
Forum: Armchair-GM21 mai à 8 h 5
Sujet: Montreal fans who says no
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jaok3</b></div><div>Why would the habs decline? They get the leafs 1st rounder and then they flip Marner at the TDL for another 1st rounder and 2 prospects. Marner double retention is only around 2.75M. So in the end they would give up Savard + 24 first rounder in exchange they get Tor 24-first rounder, 25-first rounder and 2 prospects.</div></div>

1) The first trade has 0 retention on Marner meaning Habs are taking full contract
2) If this trade happens Habs will have 0 retention slots avalible to trade Marner at 50%
3) Trading a 5th overal pick for a maybe flip for a 20th pick and a prospect is a bad look and Habs could end up in a similar situation to the NYI with Vanek when they did that move or Arizona when they tried it with Hall, it would be bad asset managment

Sadly if leafs trade Marner they will have to bank more on quantity than quality coming back.