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Équipe: 2024-25 Canadiens de Montréal
Date de création initiale: 21 mai 2024
Publié: 21 mai 2024
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  1. Armia, Joel
  2. Xhekaj, Arber [Droits de RFA]
  3. Xhekaj, Florian
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  1. Matheson, Michael
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2025 (MTL)
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21 mai à 11 h 49
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LOLOLOL

does body own the naming rights to the stadium as well

if you read a few habs articles out there this past... few montsh.

ABRER XHEKAJ SI NOT AVAILABLE.

not for a top 10 pick, not for zegras, not for a 51% stake in your franchise.
21 mai à 11 h 50
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No from Winnipeg. Fills no needs for the Jets.
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LOLOLOL

does body own the naming rights to the stadium as well

if you read a few habs articles out there this past... few montsh.

ABRER XHEKAJ SI NOT AVAILABLE.

not for a top 10 pick, not for zegras, not for a 51% stake in your franchise.


please find a new sport to support if you think Xhekaj is worth more than a 2nd round pick. you are clearly outside your depth
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21 mai à 11 h 58
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No from Winnipeg. Fills no needs forthe Jets.


Windjammer says no, therefore it must be a fair trade
21 mai à 12 h 15
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Wild don't want what Your offering for Boldy. He's not available / getting traded.
21 mai à 12 h 21
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please find a new sport to support if you think Xhekaj is worth more than a 2nd round pick. you are clearly outside your depth


i watch this sport for entertainment.

i dont know why you do, but arber is PURE entertainment, and he is worth more than the entire leafs brigade.

kent hughes has indeed reportedly rejected multiple offers for x
21 mai à 12 h 25
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Quoting: JeffGorton
please find a new sport to support if you think Xhekaj is worth more than a 2nd round pick. you are clearly outside your depth


You shouldn’t tell anyone they are outside their depth with the package you are offering for Boldy …

By the way no one thought Romanov would be worth a mid 1st round pick, and he wasn’t in demand like Xhekaj is. Not saying he is worth more than Romanov, but he is definitely worth more than a 2nd round pick
21 mai à 12 h 37
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Windjammer says no, therefore it must be a fair trade


Jets decline no need for lhd
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Quoting: Habs_22_14_20
You shouldn’t tell anyone they are outside their depth with the package you are offering for Boldy …

By the way no one thought Romanov would be worth a mid 1st round pick, and he wasn’t in demand like Xhekaj is. Not saying he is worth more than Romanov, but he is definitely worth more than a 2nd round pick


Not cause 1 old head GM made a terrible trade that this is now the set trade value for a dman like romanov and Xhekaj.

Lou was ready to pay that price, doesnt mean 31 other gms would'of done that.

Boldy package isnt that bad. Sure its a bit too much, but thats better than all the delusional fans who would have proposed HArris and a 2nd.
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Jets would have to take that, their offense will take a big hit without Ehlers though.
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Quoting: Voice_Of_Thruth
Not cause 1 old head GM made a terrible trade that this is now the set trade value for a dman like romanov and Xhekaj.

Lou was ready to pay that price, doesnt mean 31 other gms would'of done that.

Boldy package isnt that bad. Sure its a bit too much, but thats better than all the delusional fans who would have proposed HArris and a 2nd.


The Romanov vs 13th OA trade isn’t looking that bad now. Romanov will be playing top 4 for the Isles for the next decade. If Nazar becomes a top 6 F, then it’s fair. If Nazar becomes a PPG player, sure it would look worse only because of what he becomes.

I don’t think Xhekaj is worth a mid first round pick because I don’t think he is top 4 material. But I don’t think management would trade him for any less than that value.

Boldy package is way too much, but there’s no fair price for a guy MIN don’t wanna move out. It’s just useless. And yeah, Harris + a 2nd vs Boldy is really bad
21 mai à 13 h 12
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Quoting: JeffGorton
please find a new sport to support if you think Xhekaj is worth more than a 2nd round pick. you are clearly outside your depth


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By the way no one thought Romanov would be worth a mid 1st round pick, and he wasn’t in demand like Xhekaj is. Not saying he is worth more than Romanov, but he is definitely worth more than a 2nd round pick


Even if X is worth a 1st round pick or a mid-rounder...he can still be unavailable. Players can be more valuable to a franchise than their market value. If someone tells you a player is off the table, just move on, don't start arguing "value", because the price to obtain said player will be >>> whatever you think market value is.

- Signed, a Jackets fan tired of explaining why you can't have Boone Jenner
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Quoting: Habs_22_14_20
You shouldn’t tell anyone they are outside their depth with the package you are offering for Boldy …

By the way no one thought Romanov would be worth a mid 1st round pick, and he wasn’t in demand like Xhekaj is. Not saying he is worth more than Romanov, but he is definitely worth more than a 2nd round pick


Alex Romanov was a 22 year old who played 20+ minutes a night at a quality level.

Arber Xhekaj plays 15 minutes a night of awful hockey, in which he doesn’t face any competition and still constantly takes bad penalties
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Quoting: dgibb10
Alex Romanov was a 22 year old who played 20+ minutes a night at a quality level.

Arber Xhekaj plays 15 minutes a night of awful hockey, in which he doesn’t face any competition and still constantly takes bad penalties


Right, but Xhekaj brings an element almost no one does
You know I'm not high on Arber, but MTL management are, so his value is definitely high
Don't think anyone would pay what MTL management want
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Right, but Xhekaj brings an element almost no one does
You know I'm not high on Arber, but MTL management are, so his value is definitely high
Don't think anyone would pay what MTL management want


Xhekaj is an excellent enforcer. Unfortunately he’s an AHL caliber hockey player.
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Quoting: CaseyFlyman
Even if X is worth a 1st round pick or a mid-rounder...he can still be unavailable. Players can be more valuable to a franchise than their market value. If someone tells you a player is off the table, just move on, don't start arguing "value", because the price to obtain said player will be >>> whatever you think market value is.

- Signed, a Jackets fan tired of explaining why you can't have Boone Jenner


If someone offers a top 15 pick for jenner and the gm says no, id want that GM fired. If Gretzky can be dealt, then so can everyone else. No one in the NHL should be truly untouchable no matter the price. Id bet the Oilers would trade McDavid if the right deal came about.
22 mai à 17 h 8
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If someone offers a top 15 pick for jenner and the gm says no, id want that GM fired. If Gretzky can be dealt, then so can everyone else. No one in the NHL should be truly untouchable no matter the price. Id bet the Oilers would trade McDavid if the right deal came about.


I mean, this isn't really the ACGM to have the Jenner discussion...the whole point was it's not really worth arguing value on a player it would take a massive overpay to move. Once you move out of the realm of sanity/market value, it's purely subjective. How do you measure how much more a unicorn-type player is worth than a similar player without those skills? Like, you can't really quantify how much more Jenner is worth than, say, Newhook because of leadership/grit/meaning to the franchise.

The Jackets have had 5 top-15 picks in the last 3 years, with another this year, and are the 2nd-youngest team in the league. There's an argument that you do turn down a top-15 pick in this year's draft (top-10? probably not. top-15? maybe) just because this franchise needs that leadership/stability figure more. No one is reasonably offering more than that without getting fired. It's not worth discussing beyond that.

Everyone could be dealt, sure, but everyone gets mad when we talk about the price it would actually take to trade for one of those players in the modern age because they don't care about having a reasonable discussion about why said player is "untouchable" in the first place. They only care about fantasizing over their favorite team having their cake and eating it too.
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Xhekaj is an excellent enforcer. Unfortunately he’s an AHL caliber hockey player.


excellent enforcer? Correct! An AHL caliber player? Wrong!

During his rookie season, I probably would've agreed with you, he was just a good story at that point, and really did have sub-par NHL metrics. But this past season, he took major strides and I think it's more than fair that Xhekaj perfectly fits where he is as a 3rd pairing Dman right now, even on a contending team (which is why he's supposedly generating a ton of interest from other teams).

The AHL level stuff was debunked when Xhekaj actually...you know... played for Laval for 17 games.... he dominated, full stop. He was a man in a boy's league (or whatever that saying is lol).
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excellent enforcer? Correct! An AHL caliber player? Wrong!

During his rookie season, I probably would've agreed with you, he was just a good story at that point, and really did have sub-par NHL metrics. But this past season, he took major strides and I think it's more than fair that Xhekaj perfectly fits where he is as a 3rd pairing Dman right now, even on a contending team (which is why he's supposedly generating a ton of interest from other teams).

The AHL level stuff was debunked when Xhekaj actually...you know... played for Laval for 17 games.... he dominated, full stop. He was a man in a boy's league (or whatever that saying is lol).


Arber Xhekaj playing well in the AHL proves he's an NHLer caliber dman how?

Arber Xhekaj is not an NHL caliber dman.

He can't defend well, and he can't defend at all without commiting penalties (no player takes penalties not even including fighting majors at a higher rate)
He plays among the easiest, most sheltered minutes in hockey for 15 minutes a night.
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Arber Xhekaj playing well in the AHL proves he's an NHLer caliber dman how?

Arber Xhekaj is not an NHL caliber dman.

He can't defend well, and he can't defend at all without commiting penalties (no player takes penalties not even including fighting majors at a higher rate)
He plays among the easiest, most sheltered minutes in hockey for 15 minutes a night.


Xhekaj.jpg

Penalties (excluding fighting majors) are absolutely something he needs to work on, granted. Defensively he's still an NHL caliber 3rd pairing dman, it's a fair assessment. offensively at 5v5 he's been fantastic. Calling him an AHL caliber player is literally objectively false...
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Penalties (excluding fighting majors) are absolutely something he needs to work on, granted. Defensively he's still an NHL caliber 3rd pairing dman, it's a fair assessment. offensively at 5v5 he's been fantastic. Calling him an AHL caliber player is literally objectively false...


Again, something to keep in mind is Arber Xhekaj gets among the easiest matchups in hockey.

Pros and Cons:

Pros:
-Enforcer
-Decent shot
-Mediocre offensively (compared to other 3rd pairing guys)

Cons:
-Has to be incredibly sheltered making the lives of your other dman much harder
-Will constantly put your team on the PK
-Has no value on either special teams unit (most guys contribute on at least 1)
-Not good defensively

The lack of ability to contribute on either special teams units, and the fact that he makes your other dmen's jobs much harder by both forcing them into tougher minutes and making them kill penalties more, means you are almost certainly better off just playing a waivers caliber player, such as a Hanley, Kovacevic, DeSimone, etc. Or giving time to a youngster with actual upside like Barron or Struble.
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Again, something to keep in mind is Arber Xhekaj gets among the easiest matchups in hockey.

Pros and Cons:

Pros:
-Enforcer
-Decent shot
-Mediocre offensively (compared to other 3rd pairing guys)

Cons:
-Has to be incredibly sheltered making the lives of your other dman much harder
-Will constantly put your team on the PK
-Has no value on either special teams unit (most guys contribute on at least 1)
-Not good defensively

The lack of ability to contribute on either special teams units, and the fact that he makes your other dmen's jobs much harder by both forcing them into tougher minutes and making them kill penalties more, means you are almost certainly better off just playing a waivers caliber player, such as a Hanley, Kovacevic, DeSimone, etc. Or giving time to a youngster with actual upside like Barron or Struble.


"decent shot"... come on now... you're just downplaying his pros and over-exaggerating his cons to try and hold firm of your opinion of him (which is weird). Evolving-Hockey literally has him valued as a $3.1mil aav dman (I personally think thats too high). Kind of hard to hold firm that he's "an AHL caliber player"...

and, genuinely curious, where are you getting that he's playing sheltered minutes and getting "among the easiest matchups in hockey"? I'm looking everywhere (scouring the internet!) and legitimately can't find anything.
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"decent shot"... come on now... you're just downplaying his pros and over-exaggerating his cons to try and hold firm of your opinion of him (which is weird). Evolving-Hockey literally has him valued as a $3.1mil aav dman (I personally think thats too high). Kind of hard to hold firm that he's "an AHL caliber player"...

and, genuinely curious, where are you getting that he's playing sheltered minutes and getting "among the easiest matchups in hockey"? I'm looking everywhere (scouring the internet!) and legitimately can't find anything.


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