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Créé par: BuffaloSoldier55

Équipe: 2024-25 Sabres de Buffalo

Date de création initiale: 24 avr. 2024

Publié: 24 avr. 2024

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

Description

How much is enough to trade away for a bonafide Top6 forward who put himself in the assistance program?
Seems like Laine needs a reset - Jarmo, who signed him, is no longer there, so bring him in for a fresh start.
Package:
NHL Winger, NHL-Ready Prospect, a college prospect (RD with an NHL pedigree) and a 1st round pick. Maybe too much risk - but really want the guy.

Skinner buyout is a needed culture reset.

Focus on speed and agitation.
Rebuild your 3rd line.
Tell Krebs to be an asshole like he can and play agitating 4th line minutes.

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

RFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Luukkonen, Ukko-Pekka	2	4 250 000 $
Krebs, Peyton	3	1 000 000 $
Bryson, Jacob	1	1 000 000 $
Clague, Kale	2	775 000 $

UFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Blueger, Teddy	3	3 000 000 $
Lomberg, Ryan	3	1 500 000 $
Bortuzzo, Robert	1	1 000 000 $
Bailey, Justin	1	775 000 $
Clutterbuck, Cal	1	2 000 000 $
Arvidsson, Viktor	1	4 500 000 $

Transactions

BUF

Laine, Patrik

CBJ

Greenway, Jordan
Kulich, Jiri
Strbak, Maxim [Liste de réserve]
Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (BUF)
Choix de 2e ronde en 2025 (BUF)

Rachats de contrats

Christian Ehrhoff: 0 $
Jeff Skinner: 1 444 445 $

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
2024
2025
2026

FORMATION

VUE À LONG TERME

INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
23	87 700 000 $	83 469 682 $	0 $	3 025 000 $	4 230 318 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Laine, Patrik 8 700 000 $8 700 000 $ C, AD, AG M-NTC UFA - 2	Thompson, Tage 7 142 857 $7 142 857 $ C M-NTC UFA - 6	Tuch, Alex 4 750 000 $4 750 000 $ AD, AG M-NTC UFA - 2
Peterka, John-Jason 855 833 $855 833 $ AG, AD RFA - 1	Cozens, Dylan 7 100 000 $7 100 000 $ C, AG UFA - 6	Quinn, Jack 863 333 $863 333 $ (850 000 $$850K) AD, AG RFA - 1
Arvidsson, Viktor 4 500 000 $4 500 000 $ AD, AG UFA	Blueger, Teddy 3 000 000 $3 000 000 $ C, AG UFA	Lomberg, Ryan 1 500 000 $1 500 000 $ AG, AD UFA
Benson, Zach 950 000 $950 000 $ (650 000 $$650K) AG RFA - 2	Krebs, Peyton 1 000 000 $1 000 000 $ C, AG RFA	Clutterbuck, Cal 2 000 000 $2 000 000 $ AD UFA

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Power, Owen 8 350 000 $8 350 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 7	Dahlin, Rasmus 11 000 000 $11 000 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 8	Luukkonen, Ukko-Pekka 4 250 000 $4 250 000 $ G RFA
Byram, Bowen 3 850 000 $3 850 000 $ DG/DD RFA - 1	Clifton, Connor 3 333 333 $3 333 333 $ DD UFA - 2	Levi, Devon 925 000 $925 000 $ (1 000 000 $$1M) G RFA - 1
Samuelsson, Mattias 4 285 714 $4 285 714 $ DG UFA - 6	Bortuzzo, Robert 1 000 000 $1 000 000 $ DD UFA

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Bryson, Jacob 1 000 000 $1 000 000 $ DG/DD RFA
Rosén, Isak 894 167 $894 167 $ (525 000 $$525K) AD RFA - 2
Bailey, Justin 775 000 $775 000 $ AD UFA

24 avr. à 13 h 7

littlejerryseinfeld

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Why, the actual eff, would Buffalo do that?

This whole agm is a nightmare

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24 avr. à 13 h 8

wojme

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Ya, that's an easy no for the Sabres. He hasn't played 60 games in a season since 19/20 where he only played 68. He's also just not worth all that.

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24 avr. à 13 h 18

Chapee44

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This is a mess.
Laine wouldn't fetch a 1st, let alone all of that value.

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24 avr. à 13 h 19

dopplsan

Nah.

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Laine is a .80ppg guy on a bad CBJ team, and has been a victim of bad hits, fluky injuries, and (oh yeah!) NHLPA assistance. Put him on BUF's offense, and he'd light **** up.

That being said, CBJ would love this, but I'd have a hell of a team convicning BUF this was the right move for them right now.

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24 avr. à 13 h 21

squashmaple

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Quoting: wojme

Ya, that's an easy no for the Sabres. He hasn't played 60 games in a season since 19/20 where he only played 68. He's also just not worth all that.

2019-2020? You mean the season that only had 68 games? A whole lot of guys only played like 60 games that year. The argument against the Sabres making this deal is plenty strong without using misleading numbers.

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24 avr. à 13 h 23

Campabee

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Ignoring the trade itself, you are essentially paying Laine more than Skinner to be the same player (Laine makes 8.7 mil skinners buyout cap hit is 1.7 mil, that equates to paying Laine 10.4 mil, why not just keep Skinner?) Also Skinners buyout might make sense for the 24-25 season at 1.7 mil but look beyond that, in 25-26 it jumps to 4.4 mil and you have to resign all of Byram, Quinn, Peterka and Levi, in 2026-27 the buyout costs 6.4 mil then finally drops to 2.4 mil the remaining 3 seasons, that is not a feasible solution.

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24 avr. à 13 h 29

Viqsi

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That's the sort of deal it'd take for the Jackets to give up Laine, and it thus also serves as an excellent illustration of why it would be incredibly foolish for another team to try to trade for him right now.

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24 avr. à 13 h 34

wojme

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Quoting: squashmaple

He has played in 129 games (56, 55, and 18) over the past 3 seasons. That's definitely worrisome for a team giving up a lot of assets in a major overpay.

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24 avr. à 13 h 43

dopplsan

Nah.

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Quoting: wojme

He has played in 129 games (56, 55, and 18) over the past 3 seasons. That's definitely worrisome for a team giving up a lot of assets in a major overpay.

Again, you're cutting the 18 not just against injury, but against NHLPA-PAP. I'd give a bit more credit to that than just categorizing it in the same way as if it was an injury.

24 avr. à 13 h 47

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wojme

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Quoting: dopplsan

The 20-21 season was only 56 games long.

And again, you're cutting the 18 not just against injury, but against NHLPA-PAP.

21-22 56/82
22-23 55/82
23-24 18/82

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24 avr. à 13 h 47

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dopplsan

Nah.

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Quoting: wojme

21-22 56/82
22-23 55/82
23-24 18/82

yeah, you got me on 21-22. I got the seasons mixed up on that.

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24 avr. à 13 h 53

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AntiAnalytics

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Quoting: Campabee

I had the exact same thoughts
First of all, Skinner is NOT getting bought out this year
Maybe next year when it makes more financial sense- MAYBE

But even if we did get rid of Skinner, why the heck would we replace him with another “lazy” guy who doesn’t play defense and has a huge Cap hit???
That’s frankly just a dumb idea that makes no sense at all

@BuffaloSoldier55,
u really need to rethink this dude

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24 avr. à 13 h 53

#13

BuffaloSoldier55

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Quoting: Viqsi

Thank you for actually seeing that part of this exercise.
Someone is going to move for him at some point. The hypothetical of him returning to hockey, being 26 years old and an elite top 6 forward is still there.

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24 avr. à 13 h 56

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BuffaloSoldier55

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Quoting: AntiAnalytics

I had the exact same thoughts
First of all, Skinner is NOT getting bought out this year
Maybe next year when it makes more financial sense- MAYBE

But even if we did get rid of Skinner, why the heck would we replace him with another “lazy” guy who doesn’t play defense and has a huge Cap hit???
That’s frankly just a dumb idea that makes no sense at all

BuffaloSoldier55,
u really need to rethink this dude

I'll rethink it, by simply doing another roster.

Everyone knows Skinner's reputation, that's not changing. The only way to move on from him will be a trade with retaining salary. Are you going to retain less than the buyout?

Also - the Salary Cap is not stagnant, it will continue going up, making his buyout numbers look slightly better.

24 avr. à 13 h 58

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BuffaloSoldier55

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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld

Why, the actual eff, would Buffalo do that?

This whole agm is a nightmare

Thanks!

24 avr. à 14 h 0

#16

BuffaloSoldier55

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In case everyone forgot how Laine could shoot the puck.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OiY4kiArwk

24 avr. à 14 h 9

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wojme

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Quoting: BuffaloSoldier55

In case everyone forgot how Laine could shoot the puck.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OiY4kiArwk

The video is 3 years old showing clips that are even older.

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24 avr. à 14 h 11

#18

Lsendel3

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What the actual **** is this my man

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24 avr. à 14 h 17

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MoSeider53

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Patrick Lanie has missed some 150 games over 6 seasons, his worth is nowhere close to this.

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24 avr. à 14 h 17

#20

BuffaloSoldier55

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Quoting: wojme

The video is 3 years old showing clips that are even older.

Why don't you make a hypothetical Roster - your last one is from March 6.

Man, make a fake trade for a guy whose only ever scored 20+ and get roasted.

24 avr. à 14 h 18

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AntiAnalytics

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Quoting: BuffaloSoldier55

In case everyone forgot how Laine could shoot the puck.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OiY4kiArwk

Sure, when he’s healthy, which he become increasingly rare

And Skinner was a ppg player last year (35g-47a-82pts)
Laine just doesn’t have that in him with all the injuries

Sorry dude, but you’re quite literally the only Sabres fan who thinks this is a good idea

24 avr. à 14 h 19

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BuffaloSoldier55

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Quoting: MoSeider53

Patrick Lanie has missed some 150 games over 6 seasons, his worth is nowhere close to this.

Fair, now we know what everyone thinks.
If I put a 3rd Rd pick (Ala Kuznetsov out of the program) - it wouldn't have been enough.

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24 avr. à 14 h 20

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AntiAnalytics

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Quoting: BuffaloSoldier55

The Sabres aren’t gonna buy out Skinner this year
No matter how bad u want them to
It’s something u might wanna start to come to terms with
Or not
Just a suggestion, bc he’s going nowhere

24 avr. à 14 h 20

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BuffaloSoldier55

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IN ALL HONESTY - I had a reasonable deal on a roster I made and then realized I didn't login.
So had to reset, get rid of Kulich and the 1st, maybe it looks reasonable.

24 avr. à 14 h 22

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BuffaloSoldier55

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Quoting: AntiAnalytics

The Sabres aren’t gonna buy out Skinner this year
No matter how bad u want them to
It’s something u might wanna start to come to terms with
Or not
Just a suggestion, bc he’s going nowhere

Well aware, I can live in a space where I can pretend he's not dragging this team down with a dumb contract for the next 3 years.

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