I would make or accept that offer as the Los Angeles GM in a heartbeat.

Ehhhh we could just move Harris and struble, Matheson will be gone soon. I much rather keep Guhle, Him and Hutson as our future top 4 LHD, we can just trade the others

No interest in Allen.

Yep. I think I do this.

Holtz isn't that great. MTL has $19M in cap space why would they trade one of their most promising young defenceman for Holtz when they could just sign someone like Marchessault or Toffoli instead?

Exactly. Everyone keeps using the “they have too many LHD” and think that’s a good excuse to get Guhle, when Guhle is probably the best LHD we have other than Matheson at the moment, and even then Matheson will most likely be gone after his contract is up or even traded

Something about that LA trade just doesn’t seem right though acknowledge Turcotte has the ability to make it a good one

Why do we need Holtz anyway? We have Joshua Roy who is younger, Holtz had 28 points in 82 games, Roy had 9 in 23 points games (prorated that's 32 points in 82 games) would you trade Marino for Roy? That is essentially what you are proposing here.

23 game sample size lmao.

Presumably the fact that Holtz would be somwhere around 3-4 million dollars cheaper and 25 instead of 36 when Montreal is trying to compete again.

Romanov for Dach would be a much more accurate comparison

Habs need skilled forwards and have oversupply of LHD. Harris and Struble cannot return a top younger winger, but Guhle could. MTL could lineup with Matheson, Hutson and Xhekaj on left side.

Matheson - Savard
Harris - Barron
Xhekaj - Mailloux
Hutson - Reinbacher
Engatrom - Konyushkov
Struble - Kovacevic

Lotta blueliners there.

Frankly I'd rather just keep Jones as a 4th line piece for that. Once you get past pick 50 they're all just lotto tickets, next to no value difference between the.

Matheson could be gone by the deadline. Plus we most likely get a skilled forward with a top 5 pick this year. We aren’t trading are most promising LHD. All because we have lots of LHD. Doesn’t mean we trade are best one

Guhle

And then Hutson as our top 4 LHD

Matheson will most likely be gone by the end of next season. We are so much better off trading struble and Harris, even if they won’t return a big package

Guhle has 6 less pts in 12 less games. He is a defensive D. Holtz is an offensive only forward. How can you possibly think a mid second is the difference between them lol. Remive Guhle and LA’s first and add Pittsburgh’s second + highest third we have then it would be a fair deal

Points-per-60

Caufield…...1.90
Holtz………..1.87 <—
Suzuki………1.79
Gallagher…1.74
Slafkovsky..1.68
Monahan….1.60
Armia………..1.46
Evans………..1.32
RHP…………..1.18
Pearson…….1.15
Dvorak………1.12
Anderson…..0.94
Ylönen……….0.93
Guhle…………0.93
Matheson…..0.88

By that logic the Devils should br trading the Habs Mercer for Primeau since they have an over abundance of top young forwatds.

Just cause you have an over abundance of something doesn't mean you trade it for pennies on the dollar

Holtz for Guhle is a fair swap. I am adding to that.

LMAO, 28 points in 82 games does not equate to being a top 6 forward. If you truly believe Holtz is that good based off his 28 points, you should probably stop doing methods since it's scrambling your brain

LMAO, no it's not Guhle for Mercer is a fair swap Holts sucks dog crap and that's why you are trying to dump him.

Just stop, you are making yourself look ridiculous

First of all, you’re wrong about most of these numbers

Suzuki : 2,65
Caufield : 2,45
Newhook : 2,19
Slafkovsky : 2,04
Roy : 1,93
Matheson : 1,78
Holtz : 1,76
Gallagher : 1,75
Lazar : 1,71
Pezzetta : 1,51
Mercer : 1,4

That prove 2 things. 1. Old ass Gallagher is around the same as Holtz. 2. You need to double check your stats. Moneypuck is a good way.

And that kinda prove a point. Devils’ management doesn’t like Holtz, wich can only lower his value. There is clearly something we don’t know. Oh, and don’t blame it on Ruff, as since he is gone, he didn’t get that much more ice time and his production completely stopped

By your logic, Mercer for Pezzetta would be fair?

You're using all strengths, fan is using even strength numbers. Hence the massive difference for the 5 members of the habs PP1 who get 4 minutes a night on the PP. Gallagher also is 1st on MTL in 5v5 xGoals.

Even if it’s 5v5, it’s still not the right stats. Newhook is the best habs player in ES pts/60.

That leves us with another question : why would we want Holtz if the only thing he can do somewhat good is ES and we have Gallagher (Fourth liner next year btw) who does a similar job, while being better defensively. Not even mentionning he clearly has a problem in his play or attitude that we don’t see…

Because Alex Holtz is 22 years old and makes 900k.

List of coaches who loved Holtz: Andrew Brunette
List of coaches who have disliked Holtz: Lindy Ruff, Travis Green

I know who I'd put my money on being right.

Holtz has his defensive struggles. You will find nobody denying that. NJD wasn't a team not trying to win that could afford to give minutes to youth over veterans. Montreal is a team like that.

There is no problem you can't see. Holtz made some bad turnovers and was the whipping boy who got it blown out of proportion while NJD opted to give more "safe" players ice time.

Newhook has been quite good 5v5. I've been very impressed with him. (They didn't like him in colorado).


Gallagher is frankly better than most of MTLs forwards 5v5. Other than Suzuki, Caufield, Newhook, and Slaf, no other forward MTL has was better than Gallagher.

Also Gallagher is a volume guy, Holtz is a sniper. They aren't the same role.

Again, this isn't to say that this trade isn't an underpayment. I'd say, IF MTL decides that guys like Xhekaj, Struble, Harris are part of the future, drop the 1st going to NJD and make it a 2nd.

That would be valuing Guhle as 1st+1st+3rd.

But I believe MTL should simply keep Guhle.

We can get so many better options than Holtz. If we want young guys, we could get Hayton or Reichel without costing us Guhle. If we want 5v5 production, we can just trade a fifth for Foegele.

When you change a coach, you want changes. I can’t really believe the new coach refuses to make tge change every fan wanted just because he didn’t like the player.

There are a lot of players better than Gallagher on our roster. Apart from the guys you named, Dach, Roy, Evans and Armia are better.

That still leaves with the same question: Why would we ever trade a top 4 D for a third liner? Why not just trade a Newhook package for him, since it’s his value