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Équipe: 2024-25 Canadiens de Montréal
Date de création initiale: 5 avr. 2024
Publié: 5 avr. 2024
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It's hard to move players out of Detroit because they have their own pipeline and it's pretty darn full. That being said, there are a few players I feel their management has overlooked and kept in the AHL too long. We could create opportunities for those players in Montreal and I would go get them if the prices were fair.

The other part of this is that Detroit is ready to compete and has little to no interest in draft picks coming back because they are aware that it will take any player picked 3-5 years to bring value to their roster and their window may only be 5 years.

Let me know what you think of these targets and deals?
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  1. Berggren, Jonatan [Droits de RFA]
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Detroit's most NHL-ready prospect. By all rights this kid should have spent the year in the NHL. He has produced 0.5ppg when in the NHL this season and yet they keep sending him back down.
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  1. Mesar, Filip
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From a skill perspective I think Mesar & Berggren are around the same level. While Mesar is earlier in his development and needs at least 1 year in the AHL, Berggren is ready to play in the NHL today and has nothing left to learn in the AHL.

Detroit does this because they get a player with a slightly higher draft pedigree who is not in a rush to get to the NHL because they gain 3 years of team control.

Habs do this because they get an NHL-ready player today who I believe can take a top 6 role or at least a middle 6 role and run with it.
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  1. Söderblom, Elmer
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Physical freak Elmer is a bit of a unicorn. He may turn out to be the next Tage Thompson, or he may turn out to be the next Paul Gaustad. Either way the NHL team with the smallest forward crop can use an infusion of size and hopefully skill.

He's hardly a perfect player of a finished product, and there is some risk he never makes the NHL, but I would argue the risk is small.
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  1. Barron, Justin [Droits de RFA]
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Similar to Berggren, Barron has played fairly well up in the NHL but has not been able to lock down a spot with the Habs having so many NHL-ready young prospects.

With Petry's time in the NHL sunsetting, Barron could be a good long term blueliner who still has middle pair upside.

I would argue Barron is more of a lock to stick in the NHL than Soderblom so I think this is a good deal for Detroit
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I'm not a soderblom guy so I'd do that deal. I just don't think he'll ever skate well enough to be a useful player in the NHL
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I'm not a soderblom guy so I'd do that deal. I just don't think he'll ever skate well enough to be a useful player in the NHL


Barron is an excellent skater.
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I'm not a soderblom guy so I'd do that deal. I just don't think he'll ever skate well enough to be a useful player in the NHL


What about the Berggren deal?
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Both deals aren’t considered by MTL management
Maybe it’s fair for your playstation team, but realistically that ain’t it
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Both deals aren’t considered by MTL management
Maybe it’s fair for your playstation team, but realistically that ain’t it


I don't own a PlayStation. Do you have any concrete concerns about the deals, or are you just complaining because you don't like the name recognition.
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The habs arent trading mesar for a guy who they likely cpuld have had for a 3rd round pick at the tdl
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The habs arent trading mesar for a guy who they likely cpuld have had for a 3rd round pick at the tdl


you drastically undervalue Berggren lol
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I don't own a PlayStation. Do you have any concrete concerns about the deals, or are you just complaining because you don't like the name recognition.


cook that fraud
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The habs arent trading mesar for a guy who they likely cpuld have had for a 3rd round pick at the tdl


If they would have traded Berggren for a third at the deadline, teams would have lined up for him.
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The habs arent trading mesar for a guy who they likely cpuld have had for a 3rd round pick at the tdl


As a 22/23 year old he had 34 point in 79 games. He's over a PPG in the AHL. How in the world do you expect to get him for a 3rd round pick.

If he's worth a 3rd round pick, Josh Roy is worth a 4th!
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As a 22/23 year old he had 34 point in 79 games. He's over a PPG in the AHL. How in the world do you expect to get him for a 3rd round pick.

If he's worth a 3rd round pick, Josh Roy is worth a 4th!


Colin white had 41 points and we got him on waivers wtf is your point.


Hes a guy who turns 24 this summer whos been in the ahl all year. His value right now at best is mid round pick not recent 1st round prospect
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If they would have traded Berggren for a third at the deadline, teams would have lined up for him.


Apparently if a guy cannot make the team because of a logjam, he's only worth a 3rd. Unless he's a part of the Habs or Sabres organizations, and then he's worth at least a 1st. ACGM rules!
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If they would have traded Berggren for a third at the deadline, teams would have lined up for him.


Teams line up for 23 year old ahlers?
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Apparently if a guy cannot make the team because of a logjam, he's only worth a 3rd. Unless he's a part of the Habs or Sabres organizations, and then he's worth at least a 1st. ACGM rules!


Ya it must be really hard to unseat austin czarnik and his 1 assist in 27 games
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Honestly I wouldn't do the Berggren trade from Detroit perspective. The roster looks anything like I project, we will need players like Berggren who can play in the NHL and would be on a relatively cheap contract.
On the Soda deal. I wouldn't do it. Rather go after a veteran RHD. Even with his skating issues, rather keep the freak of nature and see what we get. He's not the type of player you give up on early.
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I think our 4th and 3rd line need an effusion of size like Soderbloom.

Although, to be fair, Florian Xhekaj will probably fit the bill and is already in the system. I think we have no assurances that Rienbacher and Mailloux will hit at NHL level - so Barron is -right now- the only NHL-ready RHD rookie that fits the rebuild.

So down the road, I can see the habs trading him if Reinbacher and Mailloux beat him in the line-up... until then, I think he stays.
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Ya it must be really hard to unseat austin czarnik and his 1 assist in 27 games


One of Yzerman's biggest incompetencies is his refusal to let the young guys play, but you can go worry about box stats (but only ones that help ur unfounded opinion).

Edvinsson and Johansson would be our 3rd and 4th best defensemen, however, due to Yzerman's great signings, we're forced to watch Petry, Gostisbehere, and Chiarot play like ass.
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Ya it must be really hard to unseat austin czarnik and his 1 assist in 27 games


Berggren cannot play on a 4th line, it's true. Neither could Cole Caufield. Those guys need to play with other skilled players in order to have an impact.

He should be playing in the NHL, but the wings had a chance to sign Patrick Kane. There's no shame in losing your spot to Patrick Kane.
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Teams line up for 23 year old ahlers?


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Ya it must be really hard to unseat austin czarnik and his 1 assist in 27 games


Or maybe they rather him play meaningful minutes on a competitive team all while building chemistry with his future line mates. Right now our roster is full, and unlike last year, we weren't plagued with a ridiculous amount of injuries. That didn't help his opportunities. If Detroit wanted to, they could have easily traded him. There isn't a desire to from our side unless it provides a significant upgrade to the team now.
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Colin white had 41 points and we got him on waivers wtf is your point.


Hes a guy who turns 24 this summer whos been in the ahl all year. His value right now at best is mid round pick not recent 1st round prospect


Could it be perhaps that you are overvaluing Mesar? At what age do you expect Mesar to make the NHL? Will Mesar score a PPG in the AHL at any point in his career?

One player is NHL ready today and can take a top 6 role and run with it. The other player is a big maybe. I don't think Mesar will have a better career than Berggren. I expect them to be about equal.

Habs need players today and the Wings need a little breathing room.
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Teams line up for 23 year old ahlers?


Brother keep to hyping up a sub 6' forward who's 5th in team scoring in the OHL.
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Or maybe they rather him play meaningful minutes on a competitive team all while building chemistry with his future line mates. Right now our roster is full, and unlike last year, we weren't plagued with a ridiculous amount of injuries. That didn't help his opportunities. If Detroit wanted to, they could have easily traded him. There isn't a desire to from our side unless it provides a significant upgrade to the team now.


Watson has done a great job in GR.
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I think our 4th and 3rd line need an effusion of size like Soderbloom.

Although, to be fair, Florian Xhekaj will probably fit the bill and is already in the system. I think we have no assurances that Rienbacher and Mailloux will hit at NHL level - so Barron is -right now- the only NHL-ready RHD rookie that fits the rebuild.

So down the road, I can see the habs trading him if Reinbacher and Mailloux beat him in the line-up... until then, I think he stays.


Why not BOTH F. Xhekaj & Soderblom. The reality is that our top 6 is gonna be smaller than the league average if we compete in the next few years. We will need to balance that out on the blue line and the bottom 6.

Other than Xhekaj & Tuch, the Habs have no bigger body prospects in the forward pipeline.
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Quoting: Lancebmx
Honestly I wouldn't do the Berggren trade from Detroit perspective. The roster looks anything like I project, we will need players like Berggren who can play in the NHL and would be on a relatively cheap contract.
On the Soda deal. I wouldn't do it. Rather go after a veteran RHD. Even with his skating issues, rather keep the freak of nature and see what we get. He's not the type of player you give up on early.


You don't expect Kane to re-sign?
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Watson has done a great job in GR.


Agreed. They started off slow and I thought they were going to suck, definitely a nice surprise now.
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