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dowd for a first

Créé par: JosephSakic
Équipe: 2023-24 Avalanche du Colorado
Date de création initiale: 8 févr. 2024
Publié: 8 févr. 2024
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
center market kinda crazy going into deadline, but a 1st for dowd (asking price) plus helps out ads depth and gives caps that 1st and a younger backup for them
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COL
  1. Aubé-Kubel, Nicolas (612 000 $ retained)
  2. Dowd, Nic
  3. Lindgren, Charlie
  4. Choix de 6e ronde en 2025 (WSH)
WSH
  1. Annunen, Justus
  2. Beaucage, Alex
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (COL)
2.
COL
  1. Roslovic, Jack (2 000 000 $ retained)
CBJ
  1. MacDermid, Kurtis
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2025 (COL)
3.
CHI
  1. Johansen, Ryan
  2. Meyers, Ben
  3. Choix de 5e ronde en 2025 (COL)
  4. Choix de 6e ronde en 2025 (COL)
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2583 500 000 $86 296 750 $637 500 $0 $-2 796 750 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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4 500 000 $4 500 000 $
AG, AD
NTC
UFA - 4
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12 600 000 $12 600 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 8
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9 250 000 $9 250 000 $
AD, C
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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825 000 $825 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
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0 $0 $
C, AD
UFA - 1
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6 125 000 $6 125 000 $
AD, AG
NMC
UFA - 7
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2 500 000 $2 500 000 $
AG
UFA - 6
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4 000 000 $4 000 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 4
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1 050 000 $1 050 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 2
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825 000 $825 000 $
AG
UFA - 1
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1 300 000 $1 300 000 $
C
UFA - 2
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613 000 $613 000 $
AD
UFA - 1
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825 000 $825 000 $
AG
UFA - 1
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775 000 $775 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 1
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896 250 $896 250 $
AD
RFA - 2
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7 000 000 $7 000 000 $
AG, C
NMC
UFA - 6
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 4
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9 000 000 $9 000 000 $
DD
UFA - 4
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3 400 000 $3 400 000 $
G
UFA - 2
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4 100 000 $4 100 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
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4 500 000 $4 500 000 $
DD
NTC
UFA - 3
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1 100 000 $1 100 000 $
G
UFA - 2
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3 850 000 $3 850 000 $
DG/DD
RFA - 2
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850 000 $850 000 $
DD
RFA - 2
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775 000 $775 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
G
UFA - 1

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8 févr. à 14 h 58
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Just going to point out paid a 1st for 4C and a 3rd for 2c.
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8 févr. à 14 h 59
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Remove Lindgren and Caps say yes. Lindgren himself could get a 1st, at least a 2nd. Beaucage and Annunen won't be a NHL players so they are nothing.
8 févr. à 15 h 1
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Washington probably can get more if Dowd, Aubé-Kubel and Lindgren are each in separate trades.
8 févr. à 15 h 10
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Nah.
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Kurtis Mc-Whosit-Whasit?
8 févr. à 15 h 32
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Frig a 1st for Dowd?
Evans plays the same minutes, same role with slightly better at some things
Points? beat dowd by 1.
Faceoffs? beat dowd by 2%
Their Corsi's, Fenwick's, Turnovers,Takeways, Hits,Blocked Shots and Point shares are basically the same


If you're giving away 1st's why not do it for someone with 6 years younger who's seen a SCF ?
8 févr. à 15 h 34
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You're not gonna like this, but Johansen is gonna cost WAY more than a 5th, 6th, and some AHL bum.
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8 févr. à 15 h 57
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okay sorry
8 févr. à 16 h 12
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Kurtis Mc-Whosit-Whasit?


haha ur crazy man
8 févr. à 17 h 7
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Hawks obviously decline. Hawks counter w/ Guttman to Av's for Ryjo and a 1st.
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8 févr. à 17 h 10
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Take out Guttman and Chicago still declines.
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8 févr. à 17 h 34
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Avs decline the first trade. Jackets decline the second. Blackhawks would be dumb to not accept the third.
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Modifié 10 févr. à 8 h 35
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I don't know anything about hockey.


I know.
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9 févr. à 0 h 38
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lol. How do you figure?

Yeah. We'll just hand one of our promising young players to COL and simultaneously take their cap dump for... *checks notes* ...nothing. Definitely would be dumb not to take that.


Not sure when two draft picks and a guy who'd easily make the 'hawks roster became nothing but you do you. Guttman isn't all that special and the 'hawks will likely need to have guys like RyJo to hit the cap floor (as they have this year). I get that you might not be overly enamoured with the idea but it certainly isn't 'nothing', but I reckon the 'hawks management at least wouldn't be dumb enough to refuse.
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Modifié 10 févr. à 8 h 36
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I don't think you understand what I am saying to you.


What you said was pretty simple to understand and I completely agree with you. You don't know anything about hockey.
9 févr. à 8 h 48
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Who are you trying to convince? You could take Guttman out of the deal and CHI would still say no. Meyers + a 5th and a 6th are not enough to dump RyJo. Meyers wouldn't make the team, either. And if he did, it would be purely as a stop gap until someone was ready to take his place. If COL and CHI are making a deal surrounding RyJo, COL is going to pay for dumping him. I'm not sure there is any team that would assign positive value to him.

lol. Guttman isn't special. You're funny.


No he really isn't and you're so way off on your assessments it's unreal!
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9 févr. à 9 h 9
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Modifié 10 févr. à 8 h 37
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No. That isn't what I said. You are deliberately misconstruing what I said.


No. I'm not. You literally said you don't know anything about hockey and I am agreeing.
9 févr. à 11 h 52
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No. I'm not. Aside from you, it is almost unanimously accepted that RyJo is a cap dump. But, you could even remove RyJo from the trade and CHI would still decline. That is how bad it is. I would rather play Guttman and see how he progresses than receive two picks that have a 2% chance of even getting ELC's, let alone playing the NHL, and an AHL player. Your opinion on this matter is not needed. I am right you are wrong. Move on.


Firstly it actually isn't almost unanimously accepted, not even close. It might be amongst Chicago fans but that's about all you can speak for. You do realise Guttman was a 6th round pick who didn't receive a contract from his draft team? So when you talk about percentages on two picks that are higher than where he went in the draft.....he doesn't have all that much value. Now for my part you could keep him and I wouldn't blink an eye. The only reason Meyers is in the AHL right now is to preserve his waivers ineligibility. He'd be on Chicago's roster. Your opinion on the matter is the one that isn't needed because it's actually the one that's plain wrong so move on yourself bucko!
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Firstly that isn't what I said. What I said was I don't know anything about hockey.


Yeah. That's what I said you said, and I agreed.
9 févr. à 12 h 45
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For real, though, I'm not wrong. Also, that is a bad reason to hold a player back and keep them in the AHL. Regardless, we have plenty of bottom 6 forwards and plenty more on the way. We don't need him and we don't need RyJo... for any reason... at all... If you can sell those players to some other team for positive value, then by all means, go for it. But it will never be CHI. And no, it isn't "just CHI fans", i've seen plenty of fans of other teams say the same thing.

If RyJo is so good, why does almost every COL ACGM propose moving him? And, why doesn't COL just keep him? If you honestly don't see how that trade is awful for CHI, you really need to rethink everything you think you know about hockey business.


You've totally misconstrued my words whether deliberately or not. But you do you. As for what I think I know about hockey business.....probably no more and no less than you. That's why we're in armchairs fella!
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You've totally misconstrued my words whether deliberately or not. But you do you.


Uh huh... Sure, bud.
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Uh huh... Sure, bud.


Yep, sure, very sure.....and that one I KNOW I'm right on!
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Yep, sure, very sure.....and that one I KNOW I'm right on!


Are we fighting right now? Why are you so mad?
9 févr. à 12 h 59
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Quoting: Garak
I took your words quite literally. So if you don't know how to properly articulate what you mean, that is your problem. Either way, I won't pretend to be a professional in the hockey business, but I can say with confidence that I know and understand a lot more than you do.


Nah, you've deliberately misconstrued it then, fairly obvious but I was being polite, and it's also fairly obvious from your arrogance that you like to THINK you know a lot more but your ignorance shines through nicely. You're an armchair GM the same as the rest of us, nothing more, nothing less.
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I know nothing about hockey and you know way more than me but don't misconstrue my words.


Ok...
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Modifié 9 févr. à 21 h 9
Quoting: Garak
Yes. Saying "CHI would be dumb not to take that" is so polite. Your valuation of all pieces and players involved in the trade is completely backwards and biased. I am not arrogant or ignorant, I just know that I am right. I am perfectly willing to admit when I am wrong, but i'm not wrong on this.

RyJo has a good shot and HEAVILY benefits from the players around him, and even then he still can't play up to his already 50% retained AAV. The dude sucks on one of the best teams in the league, how do you think he would look on one of the worst? He is not an improvement and nor would Meyers be, on any of the players we currently have. Guttman however is young and upcoming, he has shown a high level of skill at all levels, is on his ELC, is waiver exempt, and is a pending RFA under control for a few more years. He is easily worth more than any piece this proposal is sending, and then you add in that COL wants to dump RyJo's contract on top of it.... How does that make any sense for CHI?

I have not misconstrued a single thing you have said. You were not being polite. Being condescending in a polite tone doesn't make it polite. You have incessantly argued your case, and you are wrong. Accept it and move on.

I am an "armchair GM", sure. But that doesn't mean we are all equal. I absolutely know more than you do and that isn't because I think I am better or smarter, it's because I put in the time to learn and do research and my arguments are backed by the research and analytics of people who are professionals as well as my own two eyes.


Arrogant and pretentious. Nice! Good use of the straw man there too. Bravo! As for condescending....pot...kettle....black. You're done mate, onto the ignore list you go as an utter bell end.......and now you KNOW I'm not being polite!
 
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