It would have been a 20 goal 55 point season with a normal shooting %, and that’s with poor defensive metrics and PP1 time. Wouldn’t pay him anything 5.5 million at all.

If Calgary flips him next deadline 50% retained for a 2nd, they’ll be eating about 7 million dollars for a 2nd round pick. That’s called a cap dump

I think a lot of people in here are looking at Kuzmenko as a significant positive value asset rather than the cap dump he realistically is which is skewing perception

They're not eating 7 million dollars lmao they're not retaining on Lindholm and this year's money is basically net neutral. Calling getting back a guy in Kuzmenko, who will be a positive middle 6 impact on their team, a cap dump is about as accurate as calling Lindholm a cap dump. I'm not going to nit pick about 5 points, and not playing PK does not equal poor defensive metrics, he's worse this year but was above average defensively 5v5 last year probably evidenced by his 30 even strength assists. You've made about 15 comments swearing that Kuzmenko is a cap dump already, but whatever, I'm not going to change your mind. Bottom line is Vancouver paid a premium price in draft picks, prospects, and selling rock bottom low on a quality player for a center who played like a 3C for the last 2 years since Johnny Hockey and Tkachuk left.

I'd say this deal is fair and similar to what Vancouver got for Horvat last year. The concerns I'd have if I were Calgary....

- Who is the real Kuzmenko? Last year he led the league in S% and nearly netted 40 goals. This year he's not even tracking for 40 points. He'll be a UFA after next season and if his production stay where it is now, he's not going to have much trade value and likely bolts for more money in the KHL.

- Jurmo & Brzustewicz are both projects, who (based on reports) need to work on their game in their own end. These guys are still likely 2-3 years away from even sniffing the CGY line-up.

In the end both teams got what they were looking for/needed in a deal. I just think 5-6 years from now we'll look back on this and say CGY doesn't have much to show from dealing Lindholm.

I really respect myself for how right I was last year when my thought was that Vancouver should have traded high on Kuzmenko by last year's trade deadline. I so far have been wrong about the Miller signing. I didn't think it was bad nonetarily but based more on it shouldn't have been longer than 5 years. Firstly I thought that Vancouver should have traded Miller on his high as well and kept Horvat because he was younger. Miller's contract could still age horribly, and there's always a possibility that he could fall off of a cliff sooner than later, but I think that Vancouver will get solid 80-90+ point campaings out of hime for at least the next 3 seasons past this one. I still think Horvat will end up playing at a more solid level of over the entire course of his contract compared to Miller's.

Doesn't matter, they'll just pay Montreal another 1st to take him lol

I disagree. There are more guys out there who aren't having a dip in offense

ok if you think monahan or henrique are moving the needle good luck with that.you guys need a center not a winger.

Monahan will move the needle more than Lindholm

are you serious i watched monahan and Lindy for yrs,and its not close.

You watched Monahan on 0 hips

no i watched him from game one.i would of never traded him,and wouldnt have brought in kadri.but there no comparing him to Lindy.

I'm not sure they will either, but again, Lindy is taking a dip rn. And if the Avs have proved anything over the last few years, it's that they can take a player who's not the best, and turn them into a great weapon. They're just built that way. They don't need the best, they need the good. The best is better, but the good work as well.

If Vancouver has concerns about extending Petey long-term; this move also hedges that position for them. Not saying he is in the same tier as Petey but it's good move either way.

Having said that, Vancouver actually looks really good from a cap perspective next year to extend Petterson AND Hronek AND Lindholm along with their other RFA/key UFAs.

Calgary betting big on Kuzmenko to going back to being near 40 goal scorer
Doubt that he will get back to their especially with Kadri and Backlund as his Centers
I mean look what happened to Huberdeau

Calgary betting big on Kuzmenko to going back to being near 40 goal scorer
Doubt that he will get back to their especially with Kadri and Backlund as his Centers
I mean look what happened to Huberdeau

If Kuzmenko ever scores 30 this is a slam dunk win for Calgary. I think both teams did well here.

i think people undervalue kuzmenko a lot. a warm body who outproduced the player he was traded for in the last 2 years is crazy.

He's good offensively, but not defensively and was a healthy scratch. Maybe he will regain his form in Calgary, or maybe he will pull a Anthony Beauvillier and struggle despite playing higher up in the lineup.

Yep. The Canucks now have much more cap space and only need to sign a few key players. It's not longer a case of how many supporting players are they going to lose. They have close to $40 million to sign Petterson and Hronek, maybe Lindholm, but those will cost a lot and Lindholm will likely leave.

Myers will take a pay cut or leave. Same with Zadorov and likely Ian Cole.

Then you have 4 forwards, 2 defencemen, and a back-up goalie. Most deserve a raise, none of which will be paid more than $2 million. Some will be under $1 million.

They might be able to keep everyone.

Vancouver as a team has a goal differential of +59 yet Kuz was the only forward on the team carrying a minus rating. He's a defensive liability which is why he was repeatedly a healthy scratch. He's all offense, and when the offense isn't there, he's a detractor for the team.

people forget his last season quite fast.

you guys just let the jets and canucks get ahead of you. you need a 2nd line center and a goalie to help georgiev.the avs are the 6th best team in the west.

He could be both. A cap dump for Vancouver and positive value for Calgary. That's one of the reasons this trade works for both teams. Whether he actually turns out to be positive for Calgary remains to be seen, but I think that's the way they see him now.

Their scouts were right about Sharangovich having good bounceback potential. Kuzmenko seems like more of a gamble than Sharangovich, but I think they must see similar potential there. Not having to retain salary on Lindholm may have been important to them too if they plan to make more trades.

We shall see my friend