Obviously the Leafs.

why?

Marner is one year removed from being a selke finalist and scoring 99 points, also leading the team in points during the post season. The 2 years previous he was a first team all-star. He's one of the best RWs in the game.

Karlsson will be 34 by the time the cup final roles around, has 3 years remaining at 10 mil, is not good defensively, and is already on the decline offensively. We have a capable #1 OFD in Rielly and are looking to add more DFD/TWD on the cheap.

Leafs.

Karlsson is the exact opposite of what the Leafs need. Removing Marner to add Karlsson would also be pretty comical

Leafs haven’t have a number 1 Dman in like 10 years. The Matthews era has never seen a true 1D. Karlsson won the Norris last year. Marner just can’t get it done in the playoffs. Would be a good change of scenery for the players.

People that don't think Rielly is a #1 at this point are just straight up delusional. I do agree the Leafs could use another #1, if not a top pairing D, but Karlsson is not what they need, certainly not at the cost of Marner. Also, Marner has never been the issue in the playoffs. He's their current leader in playoff points among active players, all while playing a shutdown role.

In short, you have no idea what you're talking about,

Reilly is a great 2D. But not a true 1D IMO. Marner can definitely rack up his cookies in the playoffs…. In certain games. But when things get tough he disappears. There’s a reason the leaf’s have won 1 round in the Matthews era and the only round they won was quite lucky against a regressed lightning team that may not even make the playoffs this year.

EK65 won a Norris cause he single handedly carriers the Sharks last year. On the right team he can do that agin.

I know you're just repeating a narrative you've heard before, but marner is not the issue. He had 7 points in the leafs 4 wins against tampa, and 4 points in their 2 losses. He went +9 over that stretch and was leading the league in points after the first round.

He contributed on both goals in the leafs sole victory against the panthers. Rielly was one of the best defensemen in the league in the playoffs. He finished 6th in p/gp, with the only defenseman ahead of him who played more games being bouchard. He finished 2nd in goals to only Montour, who played way more games on his way to the final.

Rielly is currently 9th in p/gp this year, top 15 in ATOI. Him being a #1D is not a matter of your "opinion", it's an obvious fact. Again, I agree the leafs could use more of that, but karlsson at his current age and cap hit is not a logical target, especially at the cost of marner.

Yes, there's a reason the leafs have not had much playoff success. The reason is we surrounded our core with undersized forwards and defensemen who did not contribute much in the way of anything, certainly not offense; as well as back to back years where we ran our backups only to watch them post a sub .900%.

Dubas was the problem all along. We're certainly not going to look to him as the solution now...

Rielly isn't a 1D.

He never was.

Just because he's a 1D on Toronto doesn't make him an actual 1D.

It's the Dylan Larkin argument.

He's a 1C on Detroit.

Not a legit 1C.

Doesn't mean Rielly and Larkin aren't very good players.

But you are right about one thing.

You certainly have no idea what you're talking about.

You can tell your other CFACGM alts that too. 🤣

You saying something does not make it true, lol. He's in the argument as a top 10 D in the league, and is currently 7th in points league wide. He's finished 4th in Norris voting, a year in which most argued he was ripped off not being named a finalist. In the last 5 years he's 9th in p/gp among defensemen.

What exactly is your standard for a #1D? That they not play for the Leafs? This is not a matter of opinion, you're just objectively wrong.

Marner

Where did he “Carry” the sharks exactly?,Oh in point totals when his defensive Iq is on par with a cardboard box? like Erik Karlsson is THE LAST THING THE LEAFS NEED, replacing Marner with him would be a braindead move & Mitch does not need a change of scenery like at all, he’s still over a ppg player & hasn’t even hit 28 yrs of age

One of these guys is a Over PPG player who is a 6 time 20 goal scorer,multi time 90+ point scorer,selke runner up & one of the most prolific playmakers in hockey who is sublime on the PK plus is only 27

Karlsson is a 33 yr old 2 Time Norris Trophy winner who gets paid 10 mil & puts up points,with injury history who can QB a PP & that’s about it

Value is not close what so ever, to even think of this you’re likely adding a prospect most likely Pickering & a 1st on top of that, I can see the Pens getting a 2024 3rd back but that is about it

Look at this objectively

The Leafs in this trade lose a Top 10 RW in the League & get a Top 30 defensemen who really doesn’t help the issues with the defence for basically the same cap hit, if you really think that is fair value then you actually are insane Pickering would need to be included as well as a 1st next year or 2nd this year, maybe we’ll send you Niemela & Hirvonen back to Kyle as a Thank You but Value wise you’re off by alot

& Finally ERIK KARLSSON IN 2024 IS NOT A 1D, the 1D of the Pens is Letang, glad we cleared that up

Ok cool, now get to the part WHY THE LEAFS WOULD EVER NEED A 35 YR OLD ERIK KARLSSON FOR 10 MILLION DOLLARS, INSTEAD OF USING THAT MONEY ON CHEAPER,YOUNGER D-MEN IN THE OFFSEASON

Demelo,Montour,Forsling,Roy,Pesce,Skjei,Cole,Grezlyck i guarantee you can get one or more for less than Karlssons salary

Karlsson is also a future hall of famer.

No matter how many times you and your many alts blabber how bad he is doesn't make it true. 🙄

More rubbish from you. The All caps really sell it! 🙄

Lets pretend a future hall of famer sucks! 🤔

Karlsson also carried the Sens to a SCF in 2007.

Lost to a very good Ducks team.

Edit: I was wrong here. Should be 2017 ECF. Must've been thinking about Alfredsson? 😬

Last season Karlsson had a 101 points and was a -26. 7 of his 11 seasons he has been a minus player and is a career -94. So how does that help a team that defense has been an issue? Marner has 1 of 8 seasons as a minus player and is a career +100. Marner is the only player on the #1 unit in every situation and 200ft game is as good as any winger in the league. Karlsson 2nd pairing, no PK time and is a defensive liability every time he is on the ice. The leafs would never take on that nightmare of a contract of Karlsson and if they did pitt would be adding at least 3 pieces in a trade for Mitch.

Carried them to a cup final in 2007? Wanna double check your facts there bud? No one is saying he's a bad player, but you realize it's 2024 now, right?

This guy thinks Karlsson is so elite that he led the Sens to a cup final before he was even eligible to be drafted! Way to embarrass yourself buddy!

it was a typo, common stick to the subject plz :P

Yeah I thought it must be a typo as well, until he (you) specifically mentioned the ducks, who beat the sens in the 2007 cup final. That's not a typo, but thanks for showing everyone who's really using the "alt" accounts!

ain't got 2 account, but thx showing how paranoid you've becoming this morning

Paranoid? Lol, I don't think there are any consequences for me if that were the case, So do you actually believe it was a typo?

This "Affectionate" guy is not playing with a full deck. 🙄

I stand corrected.

I must've been thinking about 2017 when Karlsson carried his Sens team to the ECF.

I can admit when I'm wrong.

Unlike some lunatics. 🤣

I must've confused Swedes?

Alfredsson and Karlsson? 😁

I mean, outside observation, it was likely a typo and they got confused. Honest mistake.

I get that you guys are having a heated debate but mistakes happen.