Yeah, you're gonna have to add a top prospect to this. If the Pens are trading Jake it's because we're not heading to the playoffs. Henrique does nothing for us, nor does Lybushkin.

And you think we're giving up a top 5 pick for a 29 year old, let alone plus?

We just got Gauthier, he's our next sniper, not a guy pushing 30.

You are completely out to lunch if you think this is anything less than a gross overpayment.

LOL!!😂

That 2024 first is guaranteed to be a top-5 selection, and is our ticket to the Celebrini sweepstakes.

I would trade that pick for a trio of guys whose name begins with an "M," or maybe Connor Bedard, but not Jake Guentzel.

If jake gets moved. A consistent 30 to 40 goal scorer, any team is sending a 1st + top prospect. Anything less and you're the one who's out to lunch. You're sending us two players who are of absolutely no use to us if we're not making a playoff push which is the only reason we'd be moving Jake.

You should probably delete your account.

I'm not sure when you stopped actually being reasonable. In what world does Henrique and Lybushkin do the Pens any good if they're not going to the playoffs?

Lol, like you won't get a Top Prospect with the 1st?

Hunh?

You won't care if the Pens go to the playoffs this season if you get Macklin Celebrini as the reward.

I was merely approaching this proposal from the Ducks point of view.

But you're right -- this is too risky for BOTH teams. That pick turns out to be #5 instead of #1, #2 or #3 and you will have traded Guentzel for it and a late second.

Are you new here?

No? Trolling?

I just love how everyone on this board wants to trade for top NHL players, but then argue how they're worth top dollar while sending them things they don't need.

Personally, I don't see why ANA would trade for a rental, so this trade is silly to begin with. If this is on his 12 teams, there's no way he's going to waive.

But to think one of the most consistent goal-scorers in the NHL isn't worth a 1st plus top prospect is absolutely insane.

No, that's clearly your job.

When was the last time a pending UFA was worth a Top 3 pick? You are just biased.

Nobody, least of all me, ever said Guentzel isn't worth a 1st and a top prospect, so I don't know why you're putting false words in my mouth. What I said -- twice -- is that Macklin Celebrini is worth a #### of a lot more than pick 30 and a top prospect, so you have to exercise some judgment here. Anaheim isn't going to risk trading that pick for Jake Guentzel straight up. And to go on the record and be crystal clear, any team that can persuade Kyle Dubas to part with Jake Guentzel for a second-half 2024 first rounder and an A prospect should do so.

You owe me an apology.

In what fantasy land are you getting a top 5 pick for a pending UFA? You understand the massive value difference between pick 5 and pick 25 right? And more importantly, why would we give up the pick when we can chase him with money in a few months?

Guys, you’re all talking past each other, I don’t even think we disagree

Guentzel would totally return a 1st + prospect, and a darn good prospect especially in a sign and trade scenario.

ANA would pay nowhere near asking price, would not be in the running for him, and are irrelevant because he likely wouldn’t waive for us. It was a bad trade idea, we can all move on in agreement there I think

Yeah, no, F*** that, there is one person clearly in the wrong in this thread, and it's @Mr_Gardoki for assuming that the Penguins have the kind of leverage to even ask for a top 5 pick for Guentzels UFA rights, let alone a top prospect on top of that. Sure, Guentzel could probably get pick 28 and a Kylington level prospect with full retention, but that is a LONG way off from a top 5 pick in value. Duvas would fall out of his freaking chair if he heard that pick 5 was available for Guentzel.

And he has the cheek to tell me I'm the one who should delete my account. What an absolute clown show.

lol you’re correct that he won’t net a top 5 pick. And while that’s where our pick is, I’m not convinced Gardoski really factored that in. He said he’s worth a first and prospect, and I agree with that, but it’d be for the late first since it’d likely be a contender trading for him

Was his tone condescending and generally dickish? Absolutely. Some people just aren’t good at communicating when they don’t see the person on the other side

What’s in the water in Pittsburgh? Lmao

Well cause typically only playoff teams trade for pending UFAs. And a lot of pending UFAs go for a late 1st plus. The value isn’t the problem. The problem is that it makes no sense for a bottom feeder to take on a pending UFA when they can just wait til free agency.

Ana currently has the best odds for #4 overall which is worth about 3 low 1sts.

Marty St. Louis went for a top 6 guy and 2 low 1sts.

Marian Hossa went for 2 middle 6 guys, a top 30 prospect and a low 1st

Guentzel is better than both of those guys statistically. I am 100% not interested as a partial Ducks fan but the value isn't far off if the Pens had deals already in place for the vets.

The biggest negative for the Pens is it places all the risk on one piece. At best you get a Guentzel replacement in the draft pick. That is where Mr_Gardoki is coming from. A 1st, A prospect and NHL top 6 guy (the rumored ask) breaks the risk into smaller parts for the Pens.

Why would ducks do this when Guentzal is gonna be a UFA at the end of the season

No, Mr_Gardoki specifically said Anaheim would have to add a top prospect ON TOP OF Anaheims unprotected 2024 1st round pick, a 2nd, and two roster players. There was no mention of spreading out the risk, it was a blatant statement that the original offer wasn't enough, and that is complete and utter bulls***. No nuance, no detailed explanation, just a statement that Guentzel is apparently worth well in excess of three firsts and a second, as a soon to be 30 year old UFA, with no retention.

Guentzel can probably fetch pick 28 and a Poulin level prospect, none of the Anaheim fans here have insinuated, let alone said that's unreasonable or a reach, and maybe a decent 2nd line player with a bit of term left on a not terrible contract in lieu of retention. We're taking exception to Mr_Gardoki being off his freaking rocker.

Isles happily offer Matt Martin, Matthew Maggio, and Scott Mayfield for the Ducks' 2024 1st.