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Créé par: holtzer
Équipe: 2024-25 Devils du New Jersey
Date de création initiale: 4 janv. 2024
Publié: 18 janv. 2024
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
24 500 000 $
21 000 000 $
53 500 000 $
56 000 000 $
5825 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
22 000 000 $
25 000 000 $
22 500 000 $
11 000 000 $
CRÉÉANSCAP HIT
Guy, Depth
1950 000 $
Transactions
1.
NJD
  1. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (VAN)
  2. Choix de 6e ronde en 2025 (CHI)
Détails additionnels:
late 2nd for Marino
6th for Bastian
2.
NJD
  1. Swayman, Jeremy [Droits de RFA]
BOS
  1. Vanecek, Vitek
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (NJD)
Détails additionnels:
+ Seamus Casey or Gritsyuk

1st is if NJ doesn't make ECF (Timo trade condition)
3.
NJD
  1. Turcotte, Alex [Droits de RFA]
LAK
  1. Clarke, Graeme [Droits de RFA]
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2387 700 000 $87 326 397 $1 538 897 $5 950 000 $373 603 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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7 875 000 $7 875 000 $
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NMC
UFA - 7
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8 000 000 $8 000 000 $
C
UFA - 6
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4 500 000 $4 500 000 $
AD, C
RFA
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8 800 000 $8 800 000 $
AG, AD
NMC
UFA - 7
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7 250 000 $7 250 000 $
C
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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894 167 $894 167 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
AD, AG
RFA - 1
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6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
AG, AD
NMC
UFA - 3
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3 500 000 $3 500 000 $
C
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5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
AD, AG
UFA
2 500 000 $2 500 000 $
AG, C
UFA
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3 150 000 $3 150 000 $
C, AG
NTC
UFA - 2
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1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
AD, C
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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3 400 000 $3 400 000 $
DG
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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9 000 000 $9 000 000 $
DD
NMC
UFA - 4
6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
G
RFA
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925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance1 850 000 $$2M)
DG/DD
RFA - 1
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918 333 $918 333 $ (Bonis de performance3 250 000 $$3M)
DD
RFA - 2
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1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
G
RFA
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1 050 000 $1 050 000 $
DG
RFA - 1
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2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
DD
UFA
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
825 000 $825 000 $
C
RFA
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1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
DG/DD, AG
UFA
Guy, Depth
950 000 $950 000 $

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18 janv. à 19 h 18
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Giving away Marino is a bad idea.
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18 janv. à 19 h 21
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Keep Marino!
18 janv. à 19 h 33
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Marino is worth more than a 2nd. Regardless, CHI isn't buying right now. Though, Marino would be an appealing acquisition at his age and with Murphy expiring in a couple years.
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18 janv. à 19 h 34
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Some team will give you a 2nd for Marino but it won't be the Hawks. No interest in Bastian either.
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18 janv. à 19 h 36
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everything with swayman. trade, contract, target...everything.
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18 janv. à 19 h 38
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
Keep Marino!


Why? Dougie will be back, Nemec has exploded onto the scene and will only improve, and Miller has been better. Marino has taken a legitimate step backward this year.

Out of the 8 defensemen on this roster, this is where Marino ranks:

Corsi = 46% (6th)
Fenwick = 44% (7th)
On-ice Goals % = 36.1 (8th)
On-ice Expected Goals Against/60 min = 3.63 (8th)
On-ice High Danger Shot Attempts Against/60 min = 3.87 (6th)

I do like Marino...actually, I loved him last year. I get that some of these numbers will be skewed due to bad goaltending, but he has been without a doubt a massive defensive liability which is the exact opposite of what we need from him. Give Nemec his 2nd pairing role and move him to help fulfill a different need (such as the Swayman extension).
18 janv. à 19 h 38
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I'd keep Marino and I can't think they move Swayman unless they get blown away by an offer.
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18 janv. à 19 h 39
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
everything with swayman. trade, contract, target...everything.


Boston isn’t trading Swayman and no retention on Vanacek at this point is probably worth a 2nd. Some may argue a 3rd.
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18 janv. à 19 h 41
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Quoting: holtzer
Why? Dougie will be back, Nemec has exploded onto the scene and will only improve, and Miller has been better. Marino has taken a legitimate step backward this year.

Out of the 8 defensemen on this roster, this is where Marino ranks:

Corsi = 46% (6th)
Fenwick = 44% (7th)
On-ice Goals % = 36.1 (8th)
On-ice Expected Goals Against/60 min = 3.63 (8th)
On-ice High Danger Shot Attempts Against/60 min = 3.87 (6th)

I do like Marino...actually, I loved him last year. I get that some of these numbers will be skewed due to bad goaltending, but he has been without a doubt a massive defensive liability which is the exact opposite of what we need from him. Give Nemec his 2nd pairing role and move him to help fulfill a different need (such as the Swayman extension).


Marino gets the toughest matchups night in night out
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18 janv. à 19 h 41
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everything with swayman. trade, contract, target...everything.


A mid-1st round pick and (now) A prospect not good enough? Vitek is just a throw in for contract reasons. You can flip him to someone else for more assets.
18 janv. à 19 h 43
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Quoting: dgibb10
Marino gets the toughest matchups night in night out


Do you have the data to support that?
18 janv. à 19 h 45
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Quoting: Jfstompers
I'd keep Marino and I can't think they move Swayman unless they get blown away by an offer.


I would think a mid 1st rounder and an A-rated prospect would be quite good.
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18 janv. à 19 h 45
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Quoting: holtzer
Do you have the data to support that?


Yes. His QOC (quality of competition) is in the 95th%ile last I checked and his QOT (quality of teammates) is quite low.

He needs a legit partner, or easier minutes
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18 janv. à 19 h 48
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Quoting: dgibb10
Yes. His QOC (quality of competition) is in the 95th%ile last I checked and his QOT (quality of teammates) is quite low.

He needs a legit partner, or easier minutes


totally fair criticism. I still think he is expendable though with Nemec showing to be way more NHL-ready than we expected. We all know Dougie isn't going anywhere, and I doubt we have a desire to pay over $4mil to a guy on the 3rd pairing.

EDIT: Also considering we could use that $ towards Mercer/Hughes extensions.
18 janv. à 19 h 50
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totally fair criticism. I still think he is expendable though with Nemec showing to be way more NHL-ready than we expected. We all know Dougie isn't going anywhere, and I doubt we have a desire to pay over $4mil to a guy on the 3rd pairing.

EDIT: Also considering we could use that $ towards Mercer/Hughes extensions.


Trade him when the Hughes extension comes through then if need be unless a big offer comes in. No reason to move him now.
18 janv. à 20 h 9
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Quoting: Hawksguy81
Some team will give you a 2nd for Marino but it won't be the Hawks. No interest in Bastian either.


I think AZ would at least consider it.
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18 janv. à 20 h 17
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Some team will give you a 2nd for Marino


Well at least we can get a 2nd! (Said with sarcasm sarcasm)
18 janv. à 20 h 22
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Quoting: holtzer
I would think a mid 1st rounder and an A-rated prospect would be quite good.


It's not a bad offer and maybe they really like one of the prospects and bite on it but with how sway looks you'd think moving ulmark and signing Swayman long term is more of a play for Boston.
18 janv. à 20 h 30
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Boston declines so if that means you are wrong so be it. Take out Vanacek and they still decline. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Swayman is not getting moved unless he tells them he wants out.
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18 janv. à 20 h 46
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A mid-1st round pick and (now) A prospect not good enough? Vitek is just a throw in for contract reasons. You can flip him to someone else for more assets.


quadruple it. of course its not enough. he's a top five goalie in the league and he's 25. target ullmark. at least that could make some sense.
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18 janv. à 20 h 51
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Boston declines so if that means you are wrong so be it. Take out Vanacek and they still decline. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Swayman is not getting moved unless he tells them he wants out.


With his comments lately that may be the case.
18 janv. à 20 h 52
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That package is closer to Ullmark’s value than Swayman’s.
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18 janv. à 21 h 6
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
quadruple it. of course its not enough. he's a top five goalie in the league and he's 25. target ullmark. at least that could make some sense.


Sounds like Cory Schneider when he was traded for just the 9th overall pick
18 janv. à 21 h 14
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With his comments lately that may be the case.


It isn’t. People read way too much into it taking it out of context. Obviously it has stuck with him which is why players should never sit in on them.

His comment was basically saying the AS game is nice validation for him after all the negative 💩 he had to hear during arb hearing.

He also backed off it a day later.
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18 janv. à 23 h 9
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
everything with swayman. trade, contract, target...everything.


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