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Some overpays - Some underpays - Can Grier get a W this TDL

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Équipe: 2023-24 Sharks de San Jose
Date de création initiale: 2 janv. 2024
Publié: 2 janv. 2024
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Celebrini, Macklin
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    Overpay Category:
    *ranked in terms of likelihood of an overpay being offered/ received*

    1. Kaapo
    His analytics rank him as a top 20 goalie in the league this year, and he’s dealing with the most difficult team in front of him every night (HIS OWN). Blackwood was phenomenal but has cooled offer, Kaapo has stayed hot. He’s playing his way out of SJS and clearly would want to follow Hills footsteps to a cup. I could see a 2nd or a 3rd and prospect if his overpay is met.

    2. MacDonald
    700k aav for a elite power forward - lol but I think he could get a 4th which is definitely a highball

    3. Granlund @ 50% (2years)
    Change my mind, if he’s at 50% - he clears a firsts value + asset if the overpay is met.

    4. Ferraro
    I’m a believer in Ferraro and trading him for scraps would be idiotic but he’s a more polarizing player for fans. Some love him dearly and some hate him dearly. His overpay is a first +

    5. Duclair
    Least likely but his overpay would be around a 3rd - 2nd.
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    2.
    SJS
      Underpay Category:
      *ranked in terms of likelihood of a lowball being offered/ received*

      1. Barabanov
      He was unreal last year and has struggled a ton (+ injuries) this year. He could go for a 4th and a prospect or even just a fourth if he doesn’t turn it around in Jan/Feb.

      2. Hoffman
      Grier May just move him for FC.

      3. Duclair
      If he won’t sign Grier will just move him for best offer.

      4. Rutta or Benning
      Grier may move another D if Ferraros overpay isn’t met. And that could come down to one of these two going for whatever he can get.

      5. Kaapo
      If no one overpaid for Kaapo, he’ll accept the best offer, and despite Elliotte Friedman saying the goalie price market is absurd right now (why we’ve seen no moves yet) - some teams going to bite first, and if Grier waits too long and Kaapos one of the remaining few, his overpay won’t be met as he won’t let him walk to UFA, so he’ll accept the best offer. So I’d expect Grier wants to be the 2nd-4th goalie trade of the big names, when the values high but there’s a price set that may allow for an overpay.
      CAR
      3.
      SJS
        Here are my predictions - trying to be as realistic as possible, please read trade descriptions.
        CAR
        4.
        SJS
        1. Raanta, Antti
        2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (PHI)
        Détails additionnels:
        OVERPAY IS MET
        With so many discussions regarding Ferraro - I’d bet it’s likely that they circle back to Kaapo and give Pytor K some help. They’re a cup team and will be going for the win. Kaapo comes cheap and Sharks can take back the dead weight. The overpay is met here.

        *Sharks receive the better of the TWO 2nds in 2024 if CAR reach the ECF, if not they receive the worst of the two*
        CAR
        1. Kähkönen, Kaapo
        2. Choix de 7e ronde en 2026 (SJS)
        Détails additionnels:
        Probably like the 2nd goalie (big name) traded.
        5.
        SJS
        1. Phillips, Matthew
        2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (WSH)
        Détails additionnels:
        OVERPAY IS MET
        Washington adds some great depth. Granlund comes in for their third line and provides a serviceable 2C if they get injuries and allows their Center depth to stay strong incase of injury. Phillip is moved for the roster, and Carpenter comes in as a great 12th man/ 13th man up.
        WSH
        1. Carpenter, Ryan
        2. Granlund, Mikael (2 500 000 $ retained)
        Détails additionnels:
        Wash is super interesting, their team analysis suggests they’re “bad” but they’re performing great and in the race, and can easily knock out tampa from the WC race.

        They’re going to go in with Ovi and the boys and if Ovi gets hot in the playoffs or down the stretch and holds it, they’re a very tough out in the playoffs.
        6.
        SJS
        1. Choix de 4e ronde en 2024 (COL)
        Détails additionnels:
        Lowballs accepted
        COL
        1. Barabanov, Alexander
        2. Benning, Matthew
        Détails additionnels:
        Not sure about the financials for COL but they seem thatd love to get some dirt cheap adds if they go Elias Lindholm or a big fish.
        7.
        SJS
        1. Reaves, Ryan
        2. Choix de 4e ronde en 2024 (TOR)
        3. Choix de 5e ronde en 2024 (TOR)
        Détails additionnels:
        OVERPAY IS MET
        MacDonald (elite power forward 4th liner) does Reaves job but better and buries the puck.
        TOR
        1. MacDonald, Jacob
        Détails additionnels:
        Get rid of this bad contract
        8.
        SJS
        1. Choix de 6e ronde en 2024 (NYR)
        2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2026 (NYR)
        Détails additionnels:
        Lowball accepted
        NYR
        1. Duclair, Anthony
        2. Choix de 7e ronde en 2024 (NJD)
        Détails additionnels:
        San Jose / NYR pay for retention on Duke, he wants to hit UFA so SJS moves him and a lowball is accepted.
        9.
        SJS
          PLACEHOLDER retains 1.5m on Duclair
          NYR
          1. Choix de 6e ronde en 2024 (NYR)
          10.
          SJS
          1. Choix de 7e ronde en 2024 (BOS)
          Détails additionnels:
          Lowball accepted
          11.
          SJS
            /2024 NHL DRAFT DAY/

            1st Overall - Macklin Celebrini, C (🇨🇦)

            … we have a trade to announce

            San Jose’s pick from Pittsburgh is 13th. Valued at :
            481 points. San Jose elects to trade up - with the Flyers pick (like 45, 192 points). This is valued at 673 points.

            They trade up to 6th Overall which is valued at 702.
            They use a 7th to make up the small gap in points.

            6th Overall: Ivan Demidov, RW (🇷🇺)

            20th Overall: Michael Brandsegg-Nygård, W (🇳🇴)

            33rd Overall: Adam Jiricek, RHD (🇨🇿)

            50th Overall: Alfons Freij, LHD (🇸🇪)
            ANA
            1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (SJS)
            2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (PIT)
            3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (WSH)
            4. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (NJD)
            5. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (PHI)
            6. Choix de 7e ronde en 2024 (SJS)
            12.
            SJS
              San Jose Sharks Pool Pyramid 2024-2025
              1st Tier:
              Celebrini
              Demidov
              Smith

              2nd Tier:
              Mukhamadullin
              Brandsegg-Nygård
              Musty
              Halttunen / Bystedt
              Lund/ Cagoni / Jiricek / Havelids

              3rd Tier:
              Alfons Freij / Gushchin / Bordeleau
              Furlong / Gawanke / Laroque / Fisher / Pohlkamp

              4th Tier:
              Ozzy / Coe / Young
              Robins / Svoboda
              Muldowney
              Cardwell
              Goalies
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              2 janv. à 18 h 47
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              The leafs just dont need to do this deal, McMann fits well on our current 4th and if we need to really get out of a cap bind we will just waive reaves instead of giving up picks
              2 janv. à 19 h 2
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              I enjoyed this. I don't see Philly biting for that little at the draft. The point system or whatever scoring for draft picks is a bit skewed in my opinion. Also Jiricek isn't available that late.
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              2 janv. à 19 h 6
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              Please no team help TML out of the Reaves or Kampf contracts.🤣
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              2 janv. à 19 h 11
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              You clearly put a lot of thought into this so I commend you for that. I just can’t see the caps moving that first unless we’re getting a young stud in return. I am personally 60/40 that we’re missing the playoffs, so it’s more likely to be a decent pick imo. Not that you don’t think the same thing, it just doesn’t help us much to add Granlund right now despite the retention.
              2 janv. à 19 h 30
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              All things considered, I don’t think the Canes will need to move Raanta. If he doesn’t improve over the rest of the season, they can just waive him and send him to the AHL for 350k, which is very manageable since the Canes are projected to have about 8mil in deadline cap space (after whatever cap accruing calculations are used (witchcraft)).

              Now based on the assumption, and the assumption that Freddie ends up returning in less the than a month as projected, I think it’s inevitable for the Canes to run 3 goalies for the remainder of the year. If they end up really turning their eye to the goalie market, I would definitely expect Kahkonen to be their top target.

              My only suggestion to the OP for amending the trade, would be Kahkonen and a the 7th for a conditional 2nd (conditions being if the Canes win the cup the Sharks get the best 2nd the Canes have for 2024; if they reach the SCF and lose the Sharks get the worse of the 2 seconds the Canes have for 2024; and if they only make the playoffs (ECQF-ECF) the Sharks get a 3rd and 4th round pick (don’t care what years, but preferably not the same year)). Would that be something the Sharks consider?
              2 janv. à 19 h 53
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              Benning would still probably be a smart acquisition for the Avs but not sure I see the point to acquiring Barabanov. Lehky will effectively be our late season forward addition.
              2 janv. à 19 h 57
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              I could see an overpay for Zetterlund too. Heavier forward, can score, has good contract for 2.5 years ($1.45m x 2 with $1.5m QO). Maybe not quite Hagel return…but maybe not far off.
              2 janv. à 20 h 14
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              I think your draft predictions are a tad off! Personally I would trade the pit 1st and that 2nd to move up to 8th (seems more reasonable) and take Carter Yakemchuk or Jiricek! We badly need a young skilled RHD to play in the top 4 for us. (Jiricek is a top 15/ top 10 guy not 33rd OA)
              20th I would go Tij Iginla if he’s still there!
              And 33rd I would look at Charlie Elick! Big RD who is more a stay home guy who could be a perfect 3rd pairing Guy.

              But I’m not the scout I wish I was just feel
              Like those guys are are ideal pieces and should be drafted around those spots.
              2 janv. à 20 h 16
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              Quoting: NHLfan10506
              I could see an overpay for Zetterlund too. Heavier forward, can score, has good contract for 2.5 years ($1.45m x 2 with $1.5m QO). Maybe not quite Hagel return…but maybe not far off.

              I could see that but he was the key piece in the Meier trade is still very young and easily could/ should be part of the sharks future, so I don’t see them moving him now.
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              2 janv. à 20 h 17
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              Quoting: TJTwolf
              Benning would still probably be a smart acquisition for the Avs but not sure I see the point to acquiring Barabanov. Lehky will effectively be our late season forward addition.


              You’re probably spot on there! 4th for Benning who at 1.25 a season for 2 more after this one is a steal
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              2 janv. à 20 h 19
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              Quoting: Rob32sjsharks
              I could see that but he was the key piece in the Meier trade is still very young and easily could/ should be part of the sharks future, so I don’t see them moving him now.


              Hagel was to be part of Chicago’s future too until Tampa bid him up. I am not predicting a Zetterlund trade…just saying there is a good argument that someone could overpay there.
              2 janv. à 20 h 20
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              Quoting: Rob32sjsharks
              I think your draft predictions are a tad off! Personally I would trade the pit 1st and that 2nd to move up to 8th (seems more reasonable) and take Carter Yakemchuk or Jiricek! We badly need a young skilled RHD to play in the top 4 for us. (Jiricek is a top 15/ top 10 guy not 33rd OA)
              20th I would go Tij Iginla if he’s still there!
              And 33rd I would look at Charlie Elick! Big RD who is more a stay home guy who could be a perfect 3rd pairing Guy.

              But I’m not the scout I wish I was just feel
              Like those guys are are ideal pieces and should be drafted around those spots.


              Pohlkamp, Havelid, Fisher, etc…

              And have they been playing Mukhamadullin on left or right side? He was pretty much exclusively a RD in KHL…and played there in his few starts for our AHL team.
              2 janv. à 20 h 20
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              Quoting: NHLfan10506
              Hagel was to be part of Chicago’s future too until Tampa bid him up. I am not predicting a Zetterlund trade…just saying there is a good argument that someone could overpay there.


              It would have to come with a 1st plus and not sure a lot of teams could stomach that!
              2 janv. à 20 h 22
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              Quoting: Rob32sjsharks
              It would have to come with a 1st plus and not sure a lot of teams could stomach that!


              The Hagel trade was

              Taylor Raddysh · $758,333
              Boris Katchouk · $758,333
              2023 1st round pick (TBL)
              2024 1st round pick (TBL)
              2 janv. à 20 h 24
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              Quoting: Rob32sjsharks
              You’re probably spot on there! 4th for Benning who at 1.25 a season for 2 more after this one is a steal


              I'd do that if I was the Avs. Bearing in mind we know they're going to have to go cheaper on the D moving forward, if he can stay out of injury trouble he'd be a good add.
              2 janv. à 20 h 29
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              Quoting: NHLfan10506
              Pohlkamp, Havelid, Fisher, etc…

              And have they been playing Mukhamadullin on left or right side? He was pretty much exclusively a RD in KHL…and played there in his few starts for our AHL team.


              Yea he use to be posted as a LHRD but I would prefer a few more options. And having Embersom, Addison, Laroque, Yakemchuk, Havelid, Fisher and Elick gives the sharks 7 pieces (8 if Mukhamadulin goes back to RD) for 3/4 spots and even if 50% of those guys hit (even 50% is high) sharks would be in great shape.

              Personally I loved Laroque but those injuries stole a lot from him and he hasn’t looked good at the ECHL, same with Fisher and the NCAA, but they are young enough to recover but they are both 3 years away I would assume at this point (if ever)
              Havelid I like but he is smaller and also still could use 2 years.
              Addison has been decent but I could see him being the off piece out.
              Embersom looks like we stole a stud stay home D from NYR! And should be a 2nd/ 3rd pairing staple
              In the lineup.
              Yakemchuk looks like a mix of Burns and Karlsson and if he can be at least decent defensively could be a top pairing guy!
              Elick looks similar to Embersom but a little bigger and with the west getting bigger and bigger we need that kind of size and grit.
              2 janv. à 20 h 30
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              Quoting: NHLfan10506
              The Hagel trade was

              Taylor Raddysh · $758,333
              Boris Katchouk · $758,333
              2023 1st round pick (TBL)
              2024 1st round pick (TBL)


              Still think that won’t happen again he wasn’t worth that IMO. But who knows if that’s offers sharks jump lol
              2 janv. à 20 h 47
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              Quoting: Rob32sjsharks
              Yea he use to be posted as a LHRD but I would prefer a few more options. And having Embersom, Addison, Laroque, Yakemchuk, Havelid, Fisher and Elick gives the sharks 7 pieces (8 if Mukhamadulin goes back to RD) for 3/4 spots and even if 50% of those guys hit (even 50% is high) sharks would be in great shape.

              Personally I loved Laroque but those injuries stole a lot from him and he hasn’t looked good at the ECHL, same with Fisher and the NCAA, but they are young enough to recover but they are both 3 years away I would assume at this point (if ever)
              Havelid I like but he is smaller and also still could use 2 years.
              Addison has been decent but I could see him being the off piece out.
              Embersom looks like we stole a stud stay home D from NYR! And should be a 2nd/ 3rd pairing staple
              In the lineup.
              Yakemchuk looks like a mix of Burns and Karlsson and if he can be at least decent defensively could be a top pairing guy!
              Elick looks similar to Embersom but a little bigger and with the west getting bigger and bigger we need that kind of size and grit.


              Fisher hasn’t been bad at NE. He is playing. They offense isn’t great beyond a couple of guys, so point total may not be there.
              2 janv. à 21 h 48
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              Quoting: NHLfan10506
              Fisher hasn’t been bad at NE. He is playing. They offense isn’t great beyond a couple of guys, so point total may not be there.


              Fisher and Laroque both have the size and offensive potential to be top 4 guys, the injuries both hurt their progression but like I said they have time to recover. Both were very raw when drafted and Both were likely long term development guys and the injuries both robbed them of a year so I expect both to be looking to fight for spots in the NHL when they are 23 ish.
              I just want 2 more high caliber guys to battle for those spots as well. Worse case senario we end up with too many young RD and like NYR did the traded 1 for a 1st (Lundqvist) lost 1 to us (Embersom) and still have 2 high ceiling guys in the NHL (Fox and Schneider). That’s what I’m hoping for the sharks! The ability to fill
              Your roster and if we have any extra we can get future picks for them.
              3 janv. à 8 h 6
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              Quoting: justinhollfan3
              The leafs just dont need to do this deal, McMann fits well on our current 4th and if we need to really get out of a cap bind we will just waive reaves instead of giving up picks


              You’re using picks to trade for a elite power forward…

              Quoting: Lancebmx
              I enjoyed this. I don't see Philly biting for that little at the draft. The point system or whatever scoring for draft picks is a bit skewed in my opinion. Also Jiricek isn't available that late.


              The Philly pick is from Carolina (not PHI), it’s a 2nd and being used to trade up; just using a system to keep it straight forward , the pick would likely need to be a 4th (not a 7th) plus the 2nd and 1st to get it done. Jiricek is ranked low by some profiles plus the injury could cause a fall, mainly using names who I want to see not necessarily all going to be available at their selection but within a possibility.

              Quoting: brady_t12
              You clearly put a lot of thought into this so I commend you for that. I just can’t see the caps moving that first unless we’re getting a young stud in return. I am personally 60/40 that we’re missing the playoffs, so it’s more likely to be a decent pick imo. Not that you don’t think the same thing, it just doesn’t help us much to add Granlund right now despite the retention.


              For me, overpaying teams for Granlund are few - I had Wash, TBL, EDM, and VAN.

              Out of the four I chose WSH due to their necessity to win, a little more interesting then TBL (for the east) and D depth already being set.

              Quoting: evelutions2
              All things considered, I don’t think the Canes will need to move Raanta. If he doesn’t improve over the rest of the season, they can just waive him and send him to the AHL for 350k, which is very manageable since the Canes are projected to have about 8mil in deadline cap space (after whatever cap accruing calculations are used (witchcraft)).

              Now based on the assumption, and the assumption that Freddie ends up returning in less the than a month as projected, I think it’s inevitable for the Canes to run 3 goalies for the remainder of the year. If they end up really turning their eye to the goalie market, I would definitely expect Kahkonen to be their top target.

              My only suggestion to the OP for amending the trade, would be Kahkonen and a the 7th for a conditional 2nd (conditions being if the Canes win the cup the Sharks get the best 2nd the Canes have for 2024; if they reach the SCF and lose the Sharks get the worse of the 2 seconds the Canes have for 2024; and if they only make the playoffs (ECQF-ECF) the Sharks get a 3rd and 4th round pick (don’t care what years, but preferably not the same year)). Would that be something the Sharks consider?


              I’m just moving Raanta as it would be required in any goalie deal to allow the Canes 3 goalies for a cup run.

              As for a change in the pick, a few outlets and mainly Elliotte F said the reason why the goalie market hasn’t seen flux is due to absurd seller prices/ demands. Which is why I think Kaapo gets a 2nd if Hill got a 3rd. Don’t think Grier becomes the last pony in the race but I also don’t see him taking a starting swing unless his value is met which would be a nearly guaranteed 2nd with little downgrade. Plus I used the 2nd for a trade up as I think the Sharks require two high picks within the top 6.

              Quoting: Rob32sjsharks
              I think your draft predictions are a tad off! Personally I would trade the pit 1st and that 2nd to move up to 8th (seems more reasonable) and take Carter Yakemchuk or Jiricek! We badly need a young skilled RHD to play in the top 4 for us. (Jiricek is a top 15/ top 10 guy not 33rd OA)
              20th I would go Tij Iginla if he’s still there!
              And 33rd I would look at Charlie Elick! Big RD who is more a stay home guy who could be a perfect 3rd pairing Guy.

              But I’m not the scout I wish I was just feel
              Like those guys are are ideal pieces and should be drafted around those spots.


              Briefly mentioned it earlier in this comment but I used the 5 guys I want not necessarily at their exact pick spot.

              But all those guys have been ranked there or lower.
              I’ve seen Nygaard in the 10s and as low as late 20s. I’ve seen Jiricek as high as 5 and as low as 40. Freij in the teens to 50s and Demidov being Russian is a fall candidate who I think Grier neeeeeeeds to select to pair with Celebrini.

              Quoting: NHLfan10506
              I could see an overpay for Zetterlund too. Heavier forward, can score, has good contract for 2.5 years ($1.45m x 2 with $1.5m QO). Maybe not quite Hagel return…but maybe not far off.


              Quoting: NHLfan10506
              Pohlkamp, Havelid, Fisher, etc…

              And have they been playing Mukhamadullin on left or right side? He was pretty much exclusively a RD in KHL…and played there in his few starts for our AHL team.


              Fisher is solid but there’s still so much runway ahead for him can’t be too high or too low. Havelids is up high but with all OFD we can’t jump for joy till he’s in the NA at the least. Pohlkamp I don’t have an opinion on. Cagoni may be super interesting and cause trouble at LD to allow for a trade for a RD as he’s killing it right now so he’s gotta keep it going.

              Muks been LD playing with RD Gawanke a lot recently where they’ve been doing quite well.

              I’d accept/ see Grier moving Zetterlund for your Hagel proposal but only that. Just something absurdly high to ensure Grier accepts.
              3 janv. à 8 h 23
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              Quoting: yikes
              You’re using picks to trade for a elite power forward…



              The Philly pick is from Carolina (not PHI), it’s a 2nd and being used to trade up; just using a system to keep it straight forward , the pick would likely need to be a 4th (not a 7th) plus the 2nd and 1st to get it done. Jiricek is ranked low by some profiles plus the injury could cause a fall, mainly using names who I want to see not necessarily all going to be available at their selection but within a possibility.



              For me, overpaying teams for Granlund are few - I had Wash, TBL, EDM, and VAN.

              Out of the four I chose WSH due to their necessity to win, a little more interesting then TBL (for the east) and D depth already being set.



              I’m just moving Raanta as it would be required in any goalie deal to allow the Canes 3 goalies for a cup run.

              As for a change in the pick, a few outlets and mainly Elliotte F said the reason why the goalie market hasn’t seen flux is due to absurd seller prices/ demands. Which is why I think Kaapo gets a 2nd if Hill got a 3rd. Don’t think Grier becomes the last pony in the race but I also don’t see him taking a starting swing unless his value is met which would be a nearly guaranteed 2nd with little downgrade. Plus I used the 2nd for a trade up as I think the Sharks require two high picks within the top 6.



              Briefly mentioned it earlier in this comment but I used the 5 guys I want not necessarily at their exact pick spot.

              But all those guys have been ranked there or lower.
              I’ve seen Nygaard in the 10s and as low as late 20s. I’ve seen Jiricek as high as 5 and as low as 40. Freij in the teens to 50s and Demidov being Russian is a fall candidate who I think Grier neeeeeeeds to select to pair with Celebrini.





              Fisher is solid but there’s still so much runway ahead for him can’t be too high or too low. Havelids is up high but with all OFD we can’t jump for joy till he’s in the NA at the least. Pohlkamp I don’t have an opinion on. Cagoni may be super interesting and cause trouble at LD to allow for a trade for a RD as he’s killing it right now so he’s gotta keep it going.

              Muks been LD playing with RD Gawanke a lot recently where they’ve been doing quite well.

              I’d accept/ see Grier moving Zetterlund for your Hagel proposal but only that. Just something absurdly high to ensure Grier accepts.


              More or less what I was getting at is that it will cost significantly more to move up from 13 to 6. Last move ups in the top 10 I could think of Toronto sent #7, a 2nd and 3rd for #5. Then Nashville traded #9 and a 2nd for #7. I would expect a team want an overpay to move away from a pick like that. Most teams picking in that range likely have extra depth picks. I would expect that late 1st need to be involved. That's only if they team trading away the pick feels comfortable at #13.
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              More or less what I was getting at is that it will cost significantly more to move up from 13 to 6. Last move ups in the top 10 I could think of Toronto sent #7, a 2nd and 3rd for #5. Then Nashville traded #9 and a 2nd for #7. I would expect a team want an overpay to move away from a pick like that. Most teams picking in that range likely have extra depth picks. I would expect that late 1st need to be involved. That's only if they team trading away the pick feels comfortable at #13.


              Quoting: Lancebmx
              More or less what I was getting at is that it will cost significantly more to move up from 13 to 6. Last move ups in the top 10 I could think of Toronto sent #7, a 2nd and 3rd for #5. Then Nashville traded #9 and a 2nd for #7. I would expect a team want an overpay to move away from a pick like that. Most teams picking in that range likely have extra depth picks. I would expect that late 1st need to be involved. That's only if they team trading away the pick feels comfortable at #13.


              I don’t think it’s unreasonable- if the assumption is Demidov is available at 6-8 Sharks need to go for it. And I used the recent Sharks/ Yotes move which was 11th Overall (Geekie) for 27th (Bystedt) 34 (Lund) 45 (M Havelids).

              Trade downs or ups are always a huge gamble but as you see the Sharks didn’t want Geekie and they got imo, 3 really good prospects. Similarly if someone doesn’t want Demidov (Russia/ KHL) I really hope Grier does.

              Sharks went backwards 16 picks which is rather large considering 11th ain’t a bad pick. Here 6-8 -> 13 is only 7 to 5 picks back. Which if you’re team is looking for a specific D who could be there or a specific forward, where they won’t be selected in the 10 but would be gone in the 20s then 13 is a great spot.

              So here you’re moving back from 6-8th to 13th if you’re owner/ GM (or both) don’t want a KHL guy who they have to wait for which isn’t unreasonable to foresee. That’s why I said the Sharks could probably get it done with

              13, 45, plus change like a 4th (the 7th made it like 720 points to the actual value of 702, but like you said, it needs to be higher - and a fourth brings it well over 800 to near 900).
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              I don’t think it’s unreasonable- if the assumption is Demidov is available at 6-8 Sharks need to go for it. And I used the recent Sharks/ Yotes move which was 11th Overall (Geekie) for 27th (Bystedt) 34 (Lund) 45 (M Havelids).

              Trade downs or ups are always a huge gamble but as you see the Sharks didn’t want Geekie and they got imo, 3 really good prospects. Similarly if someone doesn’t want Demidov (Russia/ KHL) I really hope Grier does.

              Sharks went backwards 16 picks which is rather large considering 11th ain’t a bad pick. Here 6-8 -> 13 is only 7 to 5 picks back. Which if you’re team is looking for a specific D who could be there or a specific forward, where they won’t be selected in the 10 but would be gone in the 20s then 13 is a great spot.

              So here you’re moving back from 6-8th to 13th if you’re owner/ GM (or both) don’t want a KHL guy who they have to wait for which isn’t unreasonable to foresee. That’s why I said the Sharks could probably get it done with

              13, 45, plus change like a 4th (the 7th made it like 720 points to the actual value of 702, but like you said, it needs to be higher - and a fourth brings it well over 800 to near 900).


              Isn't Demidov only under contract until after next season? Be less risk if so
              All I can say about the picks is Islanders traded #5 and got #9, 2 2nds and a 3rd. Whether it's a 4th or 7th doesn't really make much difference. Moving down from drafting a potentially elite/ high end player to a potentially good/ decent player likely costs more than a dart throw and a blind dart throw.
              Ask yourself, would you have traded #4 for #13, #45 and a 3rd?
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              Really great post dude!
               
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