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True contender

Équipe: 2023-24 Canucks de Vancouver
Date de création initiale: 30 déc. 2023
Publié: 30 déc. 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
This team would absolutely be a true contender
Transactions
1.
VAN
  1. Stamkos, Steven (4 000 000 $ retained)
TBL
  1. Celebrini, Aiden [Liste de réserve]
  2. Dries, Sheldon
  3. Klimovich, Danila
  4. McDonough, Aidan
  5. Myers, Tyler
  6. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (VAN)
  7. Choix de 4e ronde en 2024 (VAN)
  8. Choix de 4e ronde en 2024 (NJD)
  9. Choix de 2e ronde en 2025 (VAN)
Détails additionnels:
ONLY IF tampa sells
2.
OTT
  1. Kudryavtsev, Kirill
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2024 (VAN)
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2025 (VAN)
  4. Choix de 2e ronde en 2026 (VAN)
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775 000 $775 000 $
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30 déc. 2023 à 13 h 53
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Vancpuver can have Chychrun for Willander + 2024 1st + 2026 2nd.
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30 déc. 2023 à 13 h 56
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Sell The Team Franky
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Quoting: sensonfire
Vancpuver can have Chychrun for Willander + 2024 1st + 2026 2nd.


That's way more than we payed for Hronek who is a better player, younger and has his deal end as a rfa compared to Chychrun, think you need to be a little more realistic
30 déc. 2023 à 13 h 59
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Ottawa isn’t doing that . His value is up and no chance they do it without a 2024 1st
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30 déc. 2023 à 14 h 16
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That is awful for Ottawa. Try adding Willander or Lekkerimaki
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30 déc. 2023 à 14 h 21
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uh tampa would never do that
30 déc. 2023 à 14 h 30
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No way Canucks are doing these trades.
Both trades declined.
Tampa can have Stamkos.
Ottawa can have Chychrun.
30 déc. 2023 à 14 h 30
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Guys you'd have to overpay for. Not worth it.
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30 déc. 2023 à 14 h 42
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Quoting: CanucksFansRtheSmartest
That's way more than we payed for Hronek who is a better player, younger and has his deal end as a rfa compared to Chychrun, think you need to be a little more realistic


That's only slightly more than what Ottawa paid for Chychrun himself.

Think you need to be a little more realistic.
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30 déc. 2023 à 15 h 12
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BRUCE THERE IT IS
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Quoting: sensonfire
Vancpuver can have Chychrun for Willander + 2024 1st + 2026 2nd.


OTT acquired him for a 1st + 2nd, his value hasn’t skyrocketed to add a blue chip prospect on top of that
30 déc. 2023 à 15 h 21
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Quoting: cooliny
OTT acquired him for a 1st + 2nd, his value hasn’t skyrocketed to add a blue chip prospect on top of that


Ottawa paid the following for Chychrun:

#12 overall pick in 2023
Washington's 2024 2nd round pick (Currently #52 overall on Tankathon)
Ottawa's 2026 2nd round pick


My counteroffer to this AGM:

#11 overall pick in 2023 (Tom Willander)
Vancouver's 2024 1st round pick (Currently #28 overall on Tankathon)
Vancouver's 2026 2nd round pick


I'm not asking for much more than what we paid.

Cue the hyperbole.
30 déc. 2023 à 17 h 16
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Modifié 30 déc. 2023 à 17 h 22
Quoting: sensonfire
Ottawa paid the following for Chychrun:

#12 overall pick in 2023
Washington's 2024 2nd round pick (Currently #52 overall on Tankathon)
Ottawa's 2026 2nd round pick


My counteroffer to this AGM:

#11 overall pick in 2023 (Tom Willander)
Vancouver's 2024 1st round pick (Currently #28 overall on Tankathon)
Vancouver's 2026 2nd round pick


I'm not asking for much more than what we paid.

Cue the hyperbole.


You're ignoring the value difference between 11th and 12th overall; value-wise is somewhere between a late 2nd and early 3rd in terms of pick value.

2016 Draft

OTT acquires Pick #11
NJD acquires Pick #12 and Pick #80

2013 Draft

DET acquires Pick #20 and Pick #58
SJS acquires Pick #18

Comparable value would be Willander + 2nd, although I wouldn't do that as VAN.

A more reasonable trade based on the market would be the Canucks 1st + 2nd + prospect/3rd.

See these trades:

Provorov
Chychrun
Hronek
Gavrikov

We can also use another comparable trade with DeBrincat. The Senators traded Pick #7, #39 and a 3rd in 2024 for DeBrincat in 2022, then last offseason traded him for less than they got when he was an RFA; a Top-10 protected pick, a roster player, prospect, and a 4th.

Additionally, teams don't pay more for a player who has been traded within the last year, they'll pay the same amount or less for that player. There are countless examples of this in the trade history of the league. DeBrincat, Nate Schmidt, etc.
30 déc. 2023 à 17 h 34
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Quoting: westleysnipez
You're ignoring the value difference between 11th and 12th overall; value-wise is somewhere between a late 2nd and early 3rd in terms of pick value.

2016 Draft

OTT acquires Pick #11
NJD acquires Pick #12 and Pick #80

2013 Draft

DET acquires Pick #20 and Pick #58
SJS acquires Pick #18

Comparable value would be Willander + 2nd, although I wouldn't do that as VAN.

A more reasonable trade based on the market would be the Canucks 1st + 2nd + prospect/3rd.

See these trades:

Provorov
Chychrun
Hronek
Gavrikov

We can also use another comparable trade with DeBrincat. The Senators traded Pick #7, #39 and a 3rd in 2024 for DeBrincat in 2022, then last offseason traded him for less than they got when he was an RFA; a Top-10 protected pick, a roster player, prospect, and a 4th.

Additionally, teams don't pay more for a player who has been traded within the last year, they'll pay the same amount or less for that player. There are countless examples of this in the trade history of the league. DeBrincat, Nate Schmidt, etc.


1. I'm ignoring the value difference because Ottawa is not interested in trading him.

If Vancouver wants Chychrun, they'll need to overpay.

And I've shown here how Vancouver can do so.



2. Next year, Chychrun will get a Chabot / Sanderson like extension at 8 million x 8.

He'll probably spend the rest of his career in Ottawa.

Once that happens, this entire discussion becomes moot.
30 déc. 2023 à 18 h 2
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Quoting: sensonfire
1. I'm ignoring the value difference because Ottawa is not interested in trading him.

If Vancouver wants Chychrun, they'll need to overpay.

And I've shown here how Vancouver can do so.



2. Next year, Chychrun will get a Chabot / Sanderson like extension at 8 million x 8.

He'll probably spend the rest of his career in Ottawa.

Once that happens, this entire discussion becomes moot.


Every fan on this website thinks Player A on their team is worth so much more because they're untradeable. Rarely is that ever the case.

In the NHL market, Chychrun is worth a mid 1st + 2nd, or a late 1st + 2nd + 3rd. It doesn't matter than Ottawa may or may not want to trade him, if they do trade him, that is his worth.
30 déc. 2023 à 22 h 35
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This has to be a troll its so dumb. Move on.
 
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