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Créé par: tjk

Équipe: 2023-24 Oilers d'Edmonton

Date de création initiale: 29 nov. 2023

Publié: 29 nov. 2023

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

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Can't count how many posts I've read from certain fanbases (cough cough HABS cough) stating "It costs multiple 1sts to dump Campbell" just to justify them adding Dylan Holloway, Xavier Bourgault, Evan Bouchard, and a top 10 first (projected rn).

The Oilers have "stated" on multiple occasions (through media reports: Stauffer), that at most they'd be willing to trade a 1st and 3rd to dump Campbell. So I get you can justify maybe a 1st and 2nd in trades (that seems fair to me). But get serious. The Oilers aren't gonna trade him for multiple 1sts when worst case he stays in the minors until we buy him out this summer.

And mind you, his buyout is like 1 million man LOL. It's not like it's gonna strap us with a 5 mil dead cap for a decade. We've in the past 5 seasons bought out a far worse deal (Neal), and the cap is rising now.

I get wanting to make trades where your team wins (hey I do it pretty much every acgm) but be a little sensible.

Also, it's a two-way street. While yes, no team is obliged to take him as a cap dump, the Oilers aren't obliged to trade a 1st to dump him. Especially not when the aforementioned buyout is manageable.

Just be realistic. If you want a free first (in 2025 cause the Oil have said they won't trade their 2024 1st) then by all means take him. But just as you have bargaining power with cap space, the Oilers can just hold him and keep their 1st, leaving you with cap space you didn't utilize.

And I'll be honest, I can kind of understand the justification of "oh they can't waste another year of McDrai" but in no way is that enough of a rationale to make a BAD deal. We are only 1/4 of the way through the season. The way the Oilers are playing right now, it is very likely they will be fighting for a playoff spot. Once you're in, you're in. This season, and this group, is not a write-off just yet.

At most I think the Oilers make small moves like I have to try and get more depth.

Transactions

EDM

Kähkönen, Kaapo (1 375 000 $ retained)

SJS

Münzenberger, Luca [Liste de réserve]
Choix de 4e ronde en 2025 (EDM)

EDM

Maroon, Patrick (400 000 $ retained)

MIN

Tullio, Tyler
Choix de 5e ronde en 2025 (EDM)

EDM

Stecher, Troy (550 000 $ retained)

ARI

Lindewall, Jeremias [Liste de réserve]
Choix de 4e ronde en 2026 (EDM)

Rachats de contrats

James Neal: 1 916 667 $

Enfoui

Jack Campbell: 3 850 000 $ (5 000 000 $)

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
2024
2025
2026

FORMATION

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INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
22	83 500 000 $	83 311 667 $	850 000 $	3 225 000 $	188 333 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Kane, Evander 5 125 000 $5 125 000 $ AG, AD NMC UFA - 3	McDavid, Connor 12 500 000 $12 500 000 $ C NMC UFA - 3	Hyman, Zach 5 500 000 $5 500 000 $ AD, AG NMC UFA - 5
Nugent-Hopkins, Ryan 5 125 000 $5 125 000 $ AG, C NMC UFA - 6	Draisaitl, Leon 8 500 000 $8 500 000 $ C, AG M-NTC, NMC UFA - 2	Brown, Connor 775 000 $775 000 $ (3 225 000 $$3M) AD, AG UFA - 1
Foegele, Warren 2 750 000 $2 750 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1	McLeod, Ryan 2 100 000 $2 100 000 $ C RFA - 2	Hamblin, James 807 500 $807 500 $ AD, C RFA - 1
Janmark, Mattias 1 000 000 $1 000 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1	Ryan, Derek 900 000 $900 000 $ C, AD UFA - 2	Maroon, Patrick 400 000 $400 000 $ AG, AD M-NTC UFA - 1

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Nurse, Darnell 9 250 000 $9 250 000 $ DG NMC UFA - 7	Bouchard, Evan 3 900 000 $3 900 000 $ DD RFA - 2	Skinner, Stuart 2 600 000 $2 600 000 $ G UFA - 3
Ekholm, Mattias 6 000 000 $6 000 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 3	Ceci, Cody 3 250 000 $3 250 000 $ DD UFA - 2	Kähkönen, Kaapo 1 375 000 $1 375 000 $ G UFA - 1
Kulak, Brett 2 750 000 $2 750 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 3	Desharnais, Vincent 762 500 $762 500 $ DD UFA - 1

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Stecher, Troy 550 000 $550 000 $ DD UFA - 1		Holloway, Dylan 925 000 $925 000 $ (650 000 $$650K) AG, C RFA - 1
Gagner, Sam 775 000 $775 000 $ AD, C UFA - 1

29 nov. 2023 à 22 h 51

Rob32sjsharks

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Keep drinking kool aid! If a 1st and a 3rd could get Campbell traded he’d be gone by now! The fact it hasn’t proves your value isn’t reasonable.

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29 nov. 2023 à 23 h 2

palhal

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Thanks for your buyout thought. You're right, it not "so bad" to give up multiple firsts.
PS. Don't believe what a reporter writes about the Oilers "trade plans". These reporters don't know.

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29 nov. 2023 à 23 h 12

GMBL

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Quoting: Rob32sjsharks

Keep drinking kool aid! If a 1st and a 3rd could get Campbell traded he’d be gone by now! The fact it hasn’t proves your value isn’t reasonable.

There might be no team interested in taking a 1st+3rd to take him but if there was, they would have all season to ask for more and even after that, up to the 1st buyout window if their plan B is to buy him out.

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29 nov. 2023 à 23 h 15

tjk

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Quoting: palhal

Thanks for your buyout thought. You're right, it not "so bad" to give up multiple firsts.
PS. Don't believe what a reporter writes about the Oilers "trade plans". These reporters don't know.

Thanks man. Normally I agree, but I trust Stauffer as he is pretty reputable and is on the Oil payroll.

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29 nov. 2023 à 23 h 37

Oilers_29

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W post couldn’t agree more

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29 nov. 2023 à 23 h 58

Rob32sjsharks

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Quoting: GMBL

I have said in other posts that it would be wise for Oilers to chalk this season up at a loss, search for depth pieces and bottom 6 forwards, maybe trade a bigger piece for some picks and prospects and look to buy out Campbell in the off-season and re-tool! Sharks had a bad 14/15 sold at the deadline and then loaded up in 15 and that took them to the cup. Taking a step back isn’t always a bad idea!

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30 nov. 2023 à 0 h 5

GMBL

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Quoting: Rob32sjsharks

They are starting to string wins together, so maybe they do make it, but yeah I don't think they should bother making a move a this time unless it's a cheap goalie addition. Holland did come out and say he's not trading the 2024 1st (for now), so I'm guessing they are thinking worst case they end up with a top-10 pick if they don't climb the standings which should help them improve in the future.

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30 nov. 2023 à 0 h 29

NucksnOilers

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I agree on every point BUT

I think it may take two firsts to dump Campbell and it would be worth it.

Firstly any fan thinking they can get Bouch in one of these deals is either trying to troll or an idiot. Let's make that clear but, Edmonton really can't waste another season of these guys even if it means overpaying. Campbell has the lowest value in the league and two 1sts is what it's gonna take, yeah they're aren't willing but they gotta. They can't make any moves this year to be a contending team without having that cap space, it might be an overpay but it's one I think will be worth it when we look back at it

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30 nov. 2023 à 0 h 35

Victor24

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Not a Habs fan but I think it will take at least 2 1sts to move Campbell, maybe 3. His contract might be the worst in the NHL.

30 nov. 2023 à 0 h 54

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LumberJacques

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I mean nobody is saying you SHOULD pay multiple 1st picks to trade Campbell.

But at the same time teams aren't going to be lining up to have dead cap on their books for the next 3-6 years either. More than 2/3 the teams in the NHL currently have aspirations for at least the playoffs over the next 2 years and want to maximize every cap dollar. On top of that most owners won't be ok with paying $9m for a player to not play for their team or worst $15m to play in the AHL. That leaves you with an incredibly small market of teams that would even have the capacity to take Campbell on without getting to those that would actually be open to it.

I can't speak for any other market but MTL specifically has been very openly reluctant to take on longer term dead cap under Hughes. He has been very vocal about cap flexibility being a top priority and not wanting to resort to buyouts if at all possible. He easily could have bought out Hoffman and Armia this past summer and instead opted against it despite the mild terms on those buyouts. I can't imagine a 6 year buyout being of any interest to him unless an offer he can't refuse materialized, which a 1st and 3rd most certainly isn't.

Outside the Habs I can only think of SJ, Philly and maybe MN or CHI potentially being open to a Campbell dump. The other teams either have a mandate to win or cheap ownership. Most likely outcome IMO is EDM being forced to buyout because I can't see a 1st + 3rd being enough to entice them to deal with this problem.

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30 nov. 2023 à 1 h 19

#11

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I mean two things are true at the same time

1) The Oilers probably will never pay multiple firsts
2) It still probably costs multiple firsts (or a first and a first-like prospect that I'm not even sure EDM has to offer) to dump that contract. If it took less, then surely a 1st and a 3rd deal could have been worked out.

But in some parallel universe, maybe you could dump him for a single first and the Leafs could get Zadorov with salary retention for a couple of spare mufflers and a candy cane

30 nov. 2023 à 1 h 28

#12

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I’ve just spent three weeks reading one sided proposal after one sided proposal with Edmonton securing either Ullmark, Swayman, or Carlo.

I kind of enjoy the Drai trades, because I can disregard them

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30 nov. 2023 à 15 h 1

#13

tjk

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Quoting: Celtics21

Honestly, that's fair. The Swyaman deals Oil fans have been cooking up recently (past 2 season) got me losing brain cells lmao

30 nov. 2023 à 15 h 4

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I would dump 2 firsts to get rid of Nurse before I would trade 1 first w/Campbell.

30 nov. 2023 à 15 h 4

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tjk

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Quoting: NucksnOilers

I'm totally okay if it's like a 1st and Broberg/Bourgy, and maybe some other pieces, so long as that is also getting us a goalie back. 2 1sts outfight as a pure Campbell dump is just not worth it imo. I don't think this season is a waste just yet. We're looking solid now (top 5 xGF xGA since Knoby came in). And we just had a big win. With the consolidation of points to the top 6 teams in the West I think we have a better than 50% chance of making the playoffs at least as a wildcard.

30 nov. 2023 à 15 h 6

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tjk

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Quoting: LastDaze_

I would dump 2 firsts to get rid of Nurse before I would trade 1 first w/Campbell.

Ehhhhh I don't agree. I'm biased because I love Nurse and think he is playing the best he has in 3-4 years. OFC we will see come playoffs. But at most, he's an overpay by 3ish mil for 2 years too long. So rn no, I don't agree. Check back in 4 years from now though lol

30 nov. 2023 à 15 h 15

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Dahlia1001

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Quoting: tjk

I’m just hypothetically saying as far as what is tied up money-wise. Skinner is a more than capable G with even average D IMO. Oilers could use a decent backup if nothing else.
You could have a competent D with 2 defenseman better than Nurse splitting $9 mil.

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