Everyone not named Boston declines and blocks Boston’s number.

That's the worst Lindholm trade I have seen yet

Those look like deals thought up by a Maple Leaf fan

Atleast on the negative side. I’ve seen some pretty bad ones from Calgary fans.

Poitras, Lysell, a #1, and a #2 for Lindholm is about as unrealistic as this deal.

Take out Lysell and retain on Lindholm and that’d be fair to me

Actually just saw it and the picks aren’t till 2025 & 2026, so it’s probably not far off depending on how you value Lysell who I’m not that impressed personally. Maybe change Lysell to Faranacci. Gotta pay extra for that delayed payment of picks man

You like Faranacci more than Lysell?

Boston is not trading Poitras for a pending free agent. Grzelxyk, Lysell, and a #1 is more than I think Calgary gets for Lindholm with enough retention to make it net neutral.

Personally yes, because Faranacci plays Centre, has better size and a connection to Coronato, but I was actually trying to dumb down the value in return for Lindholm a tad

Pre-Negotiate an extension in advance then, I’m sure that’s what happened with Hampus Lindholm

We may still extend Lindholm, but if not x we’ll be hoping for a better trade from a Team not located in Boston

If he’s willing to stay in Calgary, great. If your expectation is that level of compensation, I’m fully expecting him to hit free agency and sign in a better option like Boston. If not him, I’m fully expecting a very good player to sign in Boston. Its a great team with the money to pay a premium player.

My guess is Calgary will sign him for a Scheifele + deal or take less than the comp levels you are expecting

It's not comparable because the latter deal at least provides something needed for both sides, regardless of value. Calgary has no need for debrusk, grzelcyk, and certainly not a 4th with retention.

Since coming to Calgary, Lindholm has 338pts in 388 games. That's 0.87ppg. Even if we suck as much as last year, he is still on pace for 60+ pts, which is respectable given the supporting cast in Calgary. Oh, and his cap hit is less than 5 mm.

Go ahead, find another center with those numbers for that little cap hit on the market, because I guarantee there are other teams willing to pay market, as opposed to a middle 6 winger, a bottom pairing damn , and a 4th (with retention) . Not to mention Boston is unloading cap onto Calgary in the deal, which is just lazy. You have to give to get, and Boston isn't giving anything of value in this deal, so it isn't comparable.

Amateur ACGMs at best

I hate to tell you this. You get rental rates for him because you can’t sign him to an extension. You’re expecting more than what Vancouver got for Bo Horvat when Hovart was having a better year and going into an offseason where there wasn’t going to be money available.

If you can sign him, keep him.

With less cap room available, you are likely going to have to take salary. Just because you are too lazy to find another deal on top of it transition players with value isn’t my problem.

The open issue is Boston is good and doesn’t need to give up the farm for a player they are going to have o pay massive money into his mid 30’s. They need to provide what are market rates for a pending FA rather than the delusional beliefs of Calgary fans who don’t understand the concept of value.

Sweeney went all in last year and it didn’t work. Frankly, I view Lindholm as 1 of about 8 FA’s I’d love to have next offseason. Very good player whose stat line hasn’t reached the same levels since you traded your MVP candidate for a walking depression ad and a good defenseman.

Sorry to also tell you, but Zacha is producing same rates for the same cap hit right now. I know they're not the same player, but if going off this, what's Zacha worth with term?
https://frozenpool.dobbersports.com/frozenpool_compare.php?players%5B%5D=3914&players%5B%5D=4203&period=2023-2024%3AR%3A99

If you argument, is that Boston doesn’t need Lindholm, so Calgary should accept less to accommodate them, then I think it’s you that needs to understand valuation….or hockey…or economics for that matter.

Player Values increase as you approach the trade deadline and draft picks typically decline. Post deadline, draft pick values increase and player value declines. Even if you don’t consider that relationship, you can cross reference what players have been acquired for 1st round picks and compare that with their GSVA. That gives you an idea of cost, vs the value of the payer to their team in (semi) absolute terms.

Since September of 2022, there have been 16 1st round picks traded for players. Below are the GSVAs of those players (which is a 3-year weighted aggregate individually regressed towards the mean for off, def, usage). I included Zacha and Hanifin for comparison’s sake. The GSVA data is up to the end of last season, so even if there was a vast change in any players performance through 20games this season (positive or negative) it would only account for 8.13% variation against the numbers below. It's not like any of them had a 100% change in their run rates this year compared to last.

Lindholm is tied for 3rd on that list. Even if you want to make the argument that he shouldn’t get Horvat’s value from last year, that hardly makes the OG post a valid trade. Centers may be worth more, UFA's less, but either way it would be idiotic for Calgary to accept that deal and not get a 1st. If anything, it just highlights how poorly conceived it is, and just how anecdotal your knowledge of hockey is.

Player GSVA
Timo Meier 3
Mattias Ekholm 2.7
Bo Horvat 2.2
Jake McCabe 2.2 (Traded with Sam Lafferty -0.1)
Elias Lindholm 2.2
Filip Hronek 2
Pavel Zacha 1.7
Jakob Chychrun 1.6
Dmitry Orlov 1.4
Noah Hanifin 1.4
Rasmus Sandin 1.1
Vladimir Tarasenko 1
Vladislav Gavrikov 1
Ryan O'Reilly 0.5
Tyler Bertuzzi 0.5
Alex Newhook 0.2
Nils Lundkvist 0
Tanner Jeannot -0.2
Ivan Provorov -0.8

Reality is Lindholm will likely be asking for maximum years and dollars to give up free agency in the year he turns 30. With limited cap space around the league, that likely means Calgary is going to be stuck between taking bad contracts or expiring contracts that the team trading for Lindholm will value.

Under no circumstance am I saying Boston should get Lindholm for a discount because they are Boston. That’s as delusional as the two packages that started this discussion on both sides.

If Calgary can sign Lindholm, they absolutely should. That’s the best way to maintain the value he has created . It’s what Winnipeg did with Scheifele and Helly.

If they can’t, I’d expect a rental rate and the comparables to be closer to someone who will also be 30 in their first season of FA. Someone like Bo Hovart is a great comparable as opposed to players 5 years younger or others locked into value contracts or traded with multiple players.

A first from Boston, a former first in Lysell, and a former first in DeBrusk who’s likely to be a valuable trade chip with retention if you grow the deal is a hell of a starting point. Whether there is a finishing point there is another story. I’d personally call Columbus if we’re Calgary’s GM.

Poitras on top of that would be moronic for Boston. Not because they can’t use Lindholm, but rather they can keep their assets and be in a great position to sign a comparable player to Lindholm in free agency next year. Maybe not as good, but when you put all the pieces together …. Much more valuable.

My hope is Calgary trades Lindholm to a rental location, because if he makes it to free agency … Boston is a hell of an option for him