Hawks don't need cap space. If you want a top pair RD your gonna pay top pair RD prices.

This isn't about cap space for this year. It's about cap space 3 years from now when you need to sign Bedard.

I’m guessing you haven’t actually looked at their cap situation but I think they’ll have no problem paying Bedard whatever he wants in 3 years. lol

True but presumably they'll want other good players too that will you cost cap space since they'll be going for it then.

I guess I have a question for you if you could buy out Jones right now (and only right now) for no penalties would you do it? If I was Chicago I would. That's why I think they would take this. This is far crazier from the Canucks perspective IMO. Like Jones has to be over paid by at least 3-4m by his current standard of play and he has so many years left.

Hard pass on Jones and that salary. This is basically the OEL trade all over again. Short term commitment out to take on long term commitment on a player that has big question marks given the contract.

Hawks say yes and run away before Canucks change their mind.

NO! The Hawks would NOT buy out Jones!

Hawks easily decline. In the short term, Jones cap hit the next 2 or 3 seasons helps Chicago get to the cap floor. And he's easily the best player in this deal BY FAR. Hawks aren't trading a top pair RD for a package that literally has NOTHING included that helps their rebuild. Jones may be overpaid, but a top pair RD is gonna cost at least $7m a year anyway. The cap is going to go up substantially over the next five seasons. His cap hit won't be an issue.

CHI doesn't think Jones has a bad contract. We aren't trying to "dump" him. And I don't foresee his contract becoming a problem, even when it is time to re-sign Bedard. JFresh player cards are a tool not an authority. As I have said many times before, Jones needs to be paired with a big defensive defenseman to have success, like he did with Gavrikov and is now doing with Vlasic. Chemistry and coaching play a bigger role than advanced analytics are capable of accounting for. So, no, we aren't taking on other teams bad contracts in order to move his contract. Pay for him if you want him, that is, if he even wants to move, because he has a full NMC.

You know how many players that have contracts with the hawks 3 years from now? 1. Seth Jones. They'll be fine.

lol. If by "yes" you meant "no. and they hang up the phone", then I agree with you.

If only there was some site where people could go to see this type of information..

Is this Benning? Have you re-emerged Jimbo?
This smells of a Benning trade.

One day.

I think if Davidson could have moved Jones already, he would have. He's already moved on from as many Stan acquisitions as possible. I get that the cap is going up and his money won't be a major issue, but he's still a problem. He's a 2nd pair D-man on good team. They're this bad with him so what does it matter if they dump him?

Well, no. Jones has a full NMC. So, he is in complete control. But, if you notice the moves KD has made, they were for positive value that ADDS to the rebuild. He would not move him at some insane loss and take a bunch of scraps back. This proposal would be an absolutely insane loss while adding a bunch of cap dumps, some with term, AND adding a bunch of players we don't need and don't help our rebuild to an already crowded roster.

Also, Hawks fans need to stop contributing to the narrative that Jones is bad. Jones is a good #1 top pairing dman, who we paid too much for in the trade and gave a million or two per year more than we should have.

It's addition by subtraction, not hard to see how this helps Chicago long term it really comes down to how good you think Jones is relative to his contract.

No. He is worth more to CHI on the roster than off it. Plain and simple. His contract is not a problem, and the only point at which it MIGHT become a problem is like 5 years from now, IF he is in heavy decline, at which point they will have had plenty of time to plan for such an event. It will be an easy situation to navigate, if it even comes to that. There is no Jones problem.

That's a valid, view. I didn't think Chicago fans saw him that way. If you see him that way obviously this makes no sense. I saw his value as about 3-4m overpaid for position and quality, which is what would make this trade make sense. I hope that at least explain to you where I'm coming from, even if you don't agree with my assessment.

Sure makes sense. I've been dealing with people who have the same outlook for the last two years. So, sorry if my response seemed abrasive. Everyone assumes this, because JFresh and Dom Loosechicken say so. But their models are flawed. And even if they were right, there is no point in paying to move him. This rebuild is going to take longer than most people seem to think, and there will be barely any term left on his deal when/if it becomes a problem, especially with how much the cap is going up over the next few years. In a couple years, $9.5 will be a fairly standard cap hit anyway, with the way NHL salaries are trending. If he is still playing well in the last few years of his contract, it could even end up looking like a bargain.

Totally reasonable. Hey, none of truly know anything about objectively how good a player is, and you watch your team way more than me. I just go off what I hear and the models because that's the best information I have.

As Canucks fan I traditionally am supposed to hate Chicago, but I've always liked them because they have traditionally had so many BC players and I loved Toews (Kane less so, although obviously he was great and exciting, I just found him winey and arrogant, fairly or not). With Bedard on the team now and the rivalry pretty cooled they are going to be the second team I'm cheering for, at least until we steal Bedard a la Tavares

I truly proposed this trade because I thought it could be win-win for both teams.

For sure. I probably watch junior and college more than anything these days. Then I'll just catch the Sportsnet highlights on youtube of NHL games.

Ain't no way y'all are stealing Bedsy! haha