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Équipe: 2023-24 Canadiens de Montréal
Date de création initiale: 13 sept. 2023
Publié: 13 sept. 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
for zegras
-top 10 maybe closer to 5 pick
-top 35-40 pick
-top 80-90pick
-1rst rd prospect
-2nd rd prospect
-Anderson (per friedman was offered first in the past and with retainment can fetch more possibly)

for boqvist
-if healthy monahan could get 50 pts and maybe more if the right minutes and linemates
-a 2nd rd prospect
- and a top 65-70 pick

for boeser
- top 9 fwd
-solid backup
- potentail top 6 dmen (hes gonna be a project)
-top 100-110 pick
-top 130-135 pick
(boeser got carried by 3 70-100 pts player and wasnt that good offensively for his cap hit
SO DONT OVERHYPE
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MTL
  1. Zegras, Trevor [Droits de RFA]
Détails additionnels:
i feel like zegras is looking for a big contract cuz hes gonna be odd man out with carlsson and tavish since there rebuild isnt close to done yet and with big contract gives him that role in the top six instead of moving to wing
ANA
  1. Anderson, Josh
  2. Kidney, Riley
  3. Mesar, Filip
  4. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (MTL)
  5. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (COL)
  6. Choix de 3e ronde en 2024 (MIN)
Détails additionnels:
"eichel didnt even get this much"
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CBJ
  1. Kapanen, Oliver [Liste de réserve]
  2. Monahan, Sean
  3. Choix de 3e ronde en 2024 (MTL)
Détails additionnels:
overpay for a scratch but yall will cry ifnt
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VAN
  1. DeSmith, Casey
  2. Norlinder, Mattias
  3. Ylönen, Jesse
  4. Choix de 4e ronde en 2024 (MTL)
  5. Choix de 5e ronde en 2024 (SJS)
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Formation

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UFA - 8
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UFA - 2
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RFA - 4
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C, AD
RFA - 3
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950 000 $950 000 $ (Bonis de performance3 500 000 $$4M)
AD, AG
RFA - 2
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C
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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AD, AG
M-NTC, NMC
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UFA - 2
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4 875 000 $4 875 000 $
DG
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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3 500 000 $3 500 000 $
DD
UFA - 2
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1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
G
UFA - 1
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863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance420 000 $$420K)
DG/DD
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Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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812 500 $812 500 $
AG, AD
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10 500 000 $10 500 000 $
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NMC
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13 sept. 2023 à 13 h 10
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In the Zegras trade, JA gets covered by the 1st and 3rd, so it’s Zegras for 2 C tier prospects and a 2nd?
ANA easily declines… CBJ prob accepts unless they can get a better offer and VAN declines if they believe Boeser can break out…

This team would only overtake OTT though bc they have the same problems but MTL has better depth and defence
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13 sept. 2023 à 13 h 19
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No Slaf, no conversation.
13 sept. 2023 à 13 h 21
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"overpay for a scratch" lol. The one crying is you. Trying to find the part of that trade that remotely entices Columbus to move Boqvist but I'm not seeing it. You want the player, you pony up the cost, and this ain't it.
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Quoting: Leafsfan98
In the Zegras trade, JA gets covered by the 1st and 3rd, so it’s Zegras for 2 C tier prospects and a 2nd?
ANA easily declines… CBJ prob accepts unless they can get a better offer and VAN declines if they believe Boeser can break out…

This team would only overtake OTT though bc they have the same problems but MTL has better depth and defence


it doesnt cost to dump anderson idk why everyone thinks that, there has been not a single analyst that has said Anderson would cost to dump teams have offered a first and more for andy as well as that first is 5-10 easily that alone can get zegras if anahiem wants a top winger you also get mesar who could turn into a nice top 9 fwd and kidney who was top 5 in pts last year in the Q and top 7 the year before
13 sept. 2023 à 13 h 24
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Quoting: GiggywithGibby
No Slaf, no conversation.


1rst ovr pick alone gets zegras stfu
13 sept. 2023 à 13 h 26
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Canucks decline. Boeser wants to stay and management wants to keep him, would take more than a pile of your unwanted pieces to convince them to part with him.
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13 sept. 2023 à 13 h 27
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Quoting: squashmaple
"overpay for a scratch" lol. The one crying is you. Trying to find the part of that trade that remotely entices Columbus to move Boqvist but I'm not seeing it. You want the player, you pony up the cost, and this ain't it.


keep him scratched then let his value decline obviosly u dont know monahan will fetch a decent pick at tdl for his cap hit and potential skill if hes healthy all year and as well obviously u dont know who kapenen is who has over 0.6ppg in liiga and wjs
13 sept. 2023 à 13 h 27
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Quoting: DQavis
it doesnt cost to dump anderson idk why everyone thinks that, there has been not a single analyst that has said Anderson would cost to dump teams have offered a first and more for andy as well as that first is 5-10 easily that alone can get zegras if anahiem wants a top winger you also get mesar who could turn into a nice top 9 fwd and kidney who was top 5 in pts last year in the Q and top 7 the year before


There hasn’t been a source that’s said a GM’s had any interest in JA outside of MTL ones… There may have been offers for 1st including JA. But either he’s not the big fish teams are going after or he’s the one being paired with a 1st to another team as a dump. Ana would want multiple good assets for Zegras, especially if a big cap dump is going the other way… it’s just how it is and this package has 1 good asset
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13 sept. 2023 à 13 h 29
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Quoting: Epic_Ninja_Dude
Canucks decline. Boeser wants to stay and management wants to keep him, would take more than a pile of your unwanted pieces to convince them to part with him.


fair though one of ur wingers were on the outs anyways the value on boeser is over hyped his defense is **** and doesnt produce goals enough for that cap hit anyone can hit 55pts 37A playing along miller petterson and kuzmenko
13 sept. 2023 à 13 h 34
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I'll never understand the logic, why a talented player (especially on a non playoff team) is the odd man out????
Zebras won't be the odd man out on the Ducks.
13 sept. 2023 à 13 h 34
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There hasn’t been a source that’s said a GM’s had any interest in JA outside of MTL ones… There may have been offers for 1st including JA. But either he’s not the big fish teams are going after or he’s the one being paired with a 1st to another team as a dump. Ana would want multiple good assets for Zegras, especially if a big cap dump is going the other way… it’s just how it is and this package has 1 good asset


literally elliot friedman said back in 2021-22 tdl anderson was offered from multiple teams for a 1rst and some more hughes wasnt willing to pull the trigger i was at my computer waiting all day watching tweets and trades, so **** outta here and a top 10 top 40 top 70 1 1rst rd prospect 1 2nd rd prospect and anderson wouldnt suffice? u can retain on andy and team wil buy smh
13 sept. 2023 à 13 h 45
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What’s in the water up there in Montreal that you guys are drinking? This is delusional.
13 sept. 2023 à 13 h 53
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Quoting: DQavis
whats up ur ass ur overhyping smo whos career highs r 65pts by the time the rebuilds over he will be around 26 and by the time there contenders maybe older u have 2 better centers in ur system and gaucher who is that 3rd guy why not introduce the idea to trading zegras u get so offended for what a top 10 pick a top 40 pick a top 70 pick a 1rst rd prospect a 2nd rd prospect and anderson who was offered 1rst for per elliott friedman and was never said by any analyst itll cost to dump where u can easily retain since u wont even compete for 3-5yrs it wont hurt


What's up narrow mined ass. Habs signed Sukuzi to a big long term contract after putting up similar numbers. Canadians certainly aren't contenders but they signed two of their young hopefuls Suzuki and Caulfield after their ELCs long term
I'm not offended at all. But your logic doesn't seem sound at all. You seem to think Zegras isn't a fit for the Ducks but he would be for the Habs, when the two teams in identical situaions.

We'll never know what was offered for Anderson. And minions shouldn't be believe what these talking head says and they try to stay relevant spewing numerous falsehoods so they can keep their jobs as insiders. Yes, Anderson might have offered for a first by a team....which might have been late twenties pick and 50% retention.

Teams can't have too many quality centres. Lots of ice time at even strength and the PP.
13 sept. 2023 à 13 h 54
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keep him scratched then let his value decline obviosly u dont know monahan will fetch a decent pick at tdl for his cap hit and potential skill if hes healthy all year and as well obviously u dont know who kapenen is who has over 0.6ppg in liiga and wjs


Cool. I hope you get amazing returns for stars like--checks notes-- the 2023 version of Sean Monahan and a C-grade prospect, then. But neither has value to Columbus. Also not sure where you're getting the idea that Boqvist is the scratch, but I guess you're the expert, champ.
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literally elliot friedman said back in 2021-22 tdl anderson was offered from multiple teams for a 1rst and some more hughes wasnt willing to pull the trigger i was at my computer waiting all day watching tweets and trades, so **** outta here and a top 10 top 40 top 70 1 1rst rd prospect 1 2nd rd prospect and anderson wouldnt suffice? u can retain on andy and team wil buy smh


That’s just a lie… It was Pierre LeBrun at the start of the season
7 months ago and he was wrong… Friedman has never said anything of the sort… But you didn’t fact check lol… The only other sources are Habs sources and I’ll believe it when I see it…

Truth is Anderson is a cap dump who’s a ghost in the playoffs (6 points in 22 games in 21) but some Habs fans believe otherwise when it’s simply not true
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Quoting: DQavis
1rst ovr pick alone gets zegras stfu


Weak draft and he was a reach. Zegras is a known star at a more valuable position.

Lafrenier was also 1OA but Zegras is more valuable than him, too.

So again, it's Slaf + if you want Z.
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Quoting: DQavis
1rst ovr pick alone gets zegras stfu


Bold to assume that any other team in the league would’ve taken Slaf at one lol
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13 sept. 2023 à 15 h 44
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Quoting: DQavis
fair though one of ur wingers were on the outs anyways the value on boeser is over hyped his defense is **** and doesnt produce goals enough for that cap hit anyone can hit 55pts 37A playing along miller petterson and kuzmenko


if you think he's so bad then why make and AGM where you acquire him and then play him on the top line?
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Quoting: GiggywithGibby
Weak draft and he was a reach. Zegras is a known star at a more valuable position.

Lafrenier was also 1OA but Zegras is more valuable than him, too.

So again, it's Slaf + if you want Z.


You mentioned and rightly so about a player position of play in draft .

LWers are the most numerous of players, as 65% of players shoot left.
If players are rated about equal, I would tend to think drafted centres or RHD might be long term better than a LHD or especaily a LWer.
In ten years we will be able to judge who would have been the best player that Montreal should have drafted in the # 1 spot in 22. Slaf, or RHD Nemec (picked second) or the two centre, Cooley and Wright.
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13 sept. 2023 à 19 h 24
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keep him scratched then let his value decline obviosly u dont know monahan will fetch a decent pick at tdl for his cap hit and potential skill if hes healthy all year and as well obviously u dont know who kapenen is who has over 0.6ppg in liiga and wjs


Quoting: squashmaple
Cool. I hope you get amazing returns for stars like--checks notes-- the 2023 version of Sean Monahan and a C-grade prospect, then. But neither has value to Columbus. Also not sure where you're getting the idea that Boqvist is the scratch, but I guess you're the expert, champ.


Just wanted to second this, and also add: Columbus will trade you Boqvist, but we have a deeper prospect pool than you, and plenty of organizational depth; the trade would be Boqvist+ for a legitimate upgrade somewhere, not Boqvist for parts. We need quality, not quantity.
13 sept. 2023 à 21 h 26
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Quoting: DQavis
fair though one of ur wingers were on the outs anyways the value on boeser is over hyped his defense is **** and doesnt produce goals enough for that cap hit anyone can hit 55pts 37A playing along miller petterson and kuzmenko


If someone is on the outs I’d bet my money on it being Garland. I agree that Boeser is overpaid, but not by a ton. His defense isn’t good but he still consistently hovers around the 20 goal, 50 point mark. Canucks would rather hold on to him and see if he can break out like he’s shown glimpses of in the past as opposed to selling low on him.

The argument about him only putting up numbers because he’s playing with Miller/Pettersson/Kuzmenko is a bad one seeing as Boeser spent more time playing with Dries/Garland than Pettersson/Kuzmenko.
13 sept. 2023 à 22 h 47
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What's up narrow mined ass. Habs signed Sukuzi to a big long term contract after putting up similar numbers. Canadians certainly aren't contenders but they signed two of their young hopefuls Suzuki and Caulfield after their ELCs long term
I'm not offended at all. But your logic doesn't seem sound at all. You seem to think Zegras isn't a fit for the Ducks but he would be for the Habs, when the two teams in identical situaions.

We'll never know what was offered for Anderson. And minions shouldn't be believe what these talking head says and they try to stay relevant spewing numerous falsehoods so they can keep their jobs as insiders. Yes, Anderson might have offered for a first by a team....which might have been late twenties pick and 50% retention.

Teams can't have too many quality centres. Lots of ice time at even strength and the PP.


THE Report was 11th ovr pick and more for andy in 2021 later was moved for romanov and later dach also last deadline too but hughes views him as much better even tho hes really not. i seen a article saying maybe zegras is odd man out for top 6 center and could be on the out i was just trynna find a mock trade that can work but we all make mistakes and unless its our own fandom we tent to know less abt prospect value and even there names if they arent studs so i see where its at at both sides--
13 sept. 2023 à 22 h 48
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Quoting: Epic_Ninja_Dude
If someone is on the outs I’d bet my money on it being Garland. I agree that Boeser is overpaid, but not by a ton. His defense isn’t good but he still consistently hovers around the 20 goal, 50 point mark. Canucks would rather hold on to him and see if he can break out like he’s shown glimpses of in the past as opposed to selling low on him.

The argument about him only putting up numbers because he’s playing with Miller/Pettersson/Kuzmenko is a bad one seeing as Boeser spent more time playing with Dries/Garland than Pettersson/Kuzmenko.


okay like i said in another comment fans such as us tent to know more about our own fandom but ik he was playing top 6 minutes and didnt produce much goal scoring on his own.
13 sept. 2023 à 22 h 49
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literally elliot friedman said back in 2021-22 tdl anderson was offered from multiple teams for a 1rst and some more hughes wasnt willing to pull the trigger i was at my computer waiting all day watching tweets and trades, so **** outta here and a top 10 top 40 top 70 1 1rst rd prospect 1 2nd rd prospect and anderson wouldnt suffice? u can retain on andy and team wil buy smh


No, it wasn’t lol… That was Pierre Lebrun 7 months ago… Get your facts straight… And all of the other insider haven’t said anything about it bc it’s just not happening… He’s not very good in the NHL and he sure isn’t worth 5.5
13 sept. 2023 à 22 h 51
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Quoting: The_Rocket
if you think he's so bad then why make and AGM where you acquire him and then play him on the top line?


like canucks fans can agree hes not the worse and theres hope on him breaking out also mtl has the cap and all the minutes in the world to develop that breakout vancouver does too but there in a position were cap and talent is needed if they want to win and hopefully keep petterson id be in win now mode and clear cap for deadline acquirements and cap relief
 
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