I doubt Winnipeg does this though, they're not intent on a rebuild as of yet. And even if they were I would have to think a retained Scheifele holds more value than this.

Winnipeg doesn't do it. Maybe as a rental at the TDL if nothing better presents itself, but there's nothing there worth retaining on and trading Scheifele for before that.

Seems like a bit of an overpayment but bruins definitely need to do this

How is it an overpayment?

I think WPG will want NHL players in return. Probably DeBrusk, Frederic or maybe Grz if we're lucky. I'd look at the Dubois trade and it's probably something similar, more players than picks.

2nd and Beecher, there is the overpayment.

1st/Lysell/3rd…fair value.

Does not work for either team though. Jets are not looking for futures and it’s the wrong piece for Boston.

That's not fair value imo, a likely semi late 1st one year removed, a 3rd and Lysell, thats hardly good value for a 1C who scored 42 goals last season and would cost you ~3 mil in this scenario.

Even that is too much. And Scheif's selective effort usage would NOT go over in Boston. Holy hell, they'd bash him so hahhhd.

Dude. He's a UFA and a team cancer who routinely sells out his teammates.

Now there's someone who knows exactly nothing about the Scheifele situation.

Heh. He's not a UFA? Do tell...

And buddy, everyone knows.

True story. I want nothing to do with him.

No fan ever thinks the return is ever enough for their player. But reality says otherwise. 🤷🏻‍♂️

I’d take the second out and I bet it gets done

Yes reality is that players get traded. Many fans believe their teams assets to hold greater value than other people percieve them to aswell so, your argument is not really an argument at all I would say.

Actually you just agreed with my argument. Lol.


Now let’s take it a step further.

He’s a UFA that is highly unlikely to return to Peg.

Has character issues.

A third of the league is over the cap.

There are 4 teams that currently have enough cap space to take his full cap hit. 1 is Buffalo who has TT and Cozens at top 6 C. 1 is Chicago, neither have much interest. Nash or Ana could be possibilities, neither are in win now mode. There are 4 others that can take 50% of his salary. 1 might consider him.

Good luck finding teams that are willing to give up good young roster players with term, which seems to be the ask, a month before the season when rosters are mostly set.

The cry of, but it’s a late 1st, is always laughable. Teams don’t give away top 10 picks unless desperate.

In other words your leverage is currently nonexistent.

To get the best return you are better off holding out til the deadline which in essence creates a lame duck season. It will also be hard to justify moving him for futures at the deadline if you are in a playoff position.

Personally, I don’t want him at all.

Wish you luck with it. 👍🏻

Scheifele shouldn't be in any mix that involves the Bruins.

Pretty much the only way that Scheifele goes to Boston is if we find a trade partner for Hellebuyck, then we bring back Swayman in this deal.

I'm relieved to know that he'll never be a Boston Bruin then

The open issue with Scheifele is you will have to pay to get him to not do free agency. 6 years, 54 million in ages 31 to 37 is going to be daunting. I’m not a huge fan of a bad plus/minus guy on a good team and the rumors of bullying Laine are present. You can point to his goal scoring, but he was part of a line that let more in than they scored.

That said, I’d be open to trading for him. Put him in a good clubhouse … you could see growth. He’s probably worth what Ryan O’Reilly was last year. They added Acciari, so you have to flag what that was in terms of the deal. My guess is he was worth atleast a second in that deal. O’Reilly was a good two way player and a high character guy.

I’d consider Swayman and Grz (they can swap him in place of retention) for Scheifele makes some sense though it does put you in a position where you have some potential overpays into their mid 30s. You don’t do that trade unless you are signing him.

I’d love Scheifle for the right price, but the concept that you can say this with a straight face and believe it suggests the conversation is not really worth having.

I’m not going to pretend we couldn’t use Scheifele and that his flaws make him not useful, but it comes down to price.

A significant part of my thought process towards him believes he’s exactly the type of player that gets to free agency and the Bruins opportunity at center is probably the most appealing in the league if they have the cap space to fit him in. Unfortunately you never know what is in the decision making matrix for a player (see Gaudreau choosing Columbus)

I believe there is a deal surrounding Swayman, Frederic, Forbort or Grz, Broissot, and Scheifele. The fear of trading Swayman for me is very high. Teams that trade young players that have displayed his potential generally regret it.

Another variation I’ve thought about is Winnipeg trades Helly and then offers Scheifele for Ullmark + something. They convince Ullmark to waive his NMC with a 3 year extension on top of his original contract. It would brining cost certainty for a team that frankly has a decent amount of talent in Winnipeg. I don’t know if there is anything preventing that from happening, but I do think it makes sense if possible

I imagine you would like deals that involve Grz, Frederic, Forbort as all are relatively worthless compared to a 1C and an elite goalie. Yes Grz has minimal value leave wide, but as an LHD, no value to Winnipeg.

Swayman and Ullmark are okay, but if an elite goalie like Helly can be had for as little as you propose, then Swayman and Ullmark have less value.

So, yes I can understand why you like those deals, but all the players you mentioned are add-ons to better pieces to get the conversation started. None are main pieces.

It’s interesting that Ullmark just beat out Helly for the Vezina and is just OK. I give Helly the advantage because of length of success.

Just admit that you haven’t watched Swayman play and are using generalities to describe his ability. I’ll say this point blank … if you consider pending contracts and price to secure, I’d rather have Swayman over the next 6 years than Helly.

Tough concept to swallow, but the next contract for Helly is 6, $60? He’s good. Is he that good? .

The original offer in this thread is comically terrible for the Bruins.

The original offer is worse for Winnipeg. It's laughably bad. Not a single piece that does anything for Winnipeg.

Sure, Ullmark has had one good season but could easily fall back to his normal career unimpressive self. Helly has an entire career of stellar play to back his reputation up.

Just admit that you haven't watched Scheifele or Hellebuyck play much and are using generalities from internet message board hot takes to describe their abilities.