You’re not getting Pinto lmao. That’s like offering that for Jarvis

Ottawa won’t trade Pinto and the return is too light for them to consider too. Only players I can see them being interested in trading are Joseph, Kubalik and Brannstrom, mainly to clear space to sign Pinto.

Pinto has very good 2nd line 2 way potential. You don’t move him for spare parts. Even a 1st isn’t enough incentive to move him

No one is going to touch Joseph's contract. That leaves Kubalik and Brannstrom, but with every team knowing the cap hell the Sens are in, it leaves the organization backed into a hole. Kubalik's value isn't the greatest anyway. Brannstrom's has been falling since the second he got to Ottawa. Even if they could afford him, what are they going to do? His path into a top-six role is completely blocked.

Pinto and Jarvis aren't comparables... I like Pinto, his ceiling is not even in the same stratosphere as Jarvis'. This is either a really bad troll job, or you're incredibly anti-Canes

Pinto isn’t getting moved 0 chance. The organization had him as untouchable for Chychrun and others. They’re not moving him.

Pinto has 2 way 60pt potential. Had 20 goals in his rookie szn after missing a whole year. His ceiling is high

I can see them holding out for pre season. Teams get unfortunate injuries to Top 6 players for sometimes months on end and need a cheap replacement. Kubalik and Brannstrom on 1 year deals makes them pretty enticing. Brannstrom is incredibly underrated, I think Pierre saying he was the second coming of Karlsson really screwed him. He played extremely well on the bottom pair with next to no PP time. Seems things have clicked for him now. Think they could easily get a 3rd for either of them if needed.

This is just wishful thinking by an opposing teams fan thinking he can get a great player for spare parts

If you're going to sign Pinto like Newhook, then you need to trade for Pinto like Newhook.

That means a prospect + low first + high second.

https://www.capfriendly.com/trades/players/alex-newhook



Ottawa will accept Drury + your 2024 1st + the Flyers' 2024 2nd for Pinto.

No ottawa will not . He’s a core player he’s not going anywhere. They made him untouchable in trades not to move him for futures

The contract was given to Newhook is what I used for Pinto because otherwise Sens fans are going to complain. In reality, Pinto's trade value isn't as high. Pinto's ceiling isn't the same as Newhooks. He's good, but he's also not been in the NHL as long. Newhook's also already won the Stanley Cup, Pinto hasn't made a playoff appearance. They're from the same draft so age isn't a factor, Newhooks more versatile.... come on. You pay a contract foe what a player is, you trade for someone this young for what they will be, and Pinto won't be in the same realm as Newhook.

I don't really want to trade Pinto either.

That's why Ottawa will have to trade Brannstrom, Kubalik or Joseph instead.

The trick is finding a taker that would agree to a trade that's worthwhile for Ottawa.

Sign Pinto 1 year with extension
in December like Labanc best thing they can do . They have 15 mill next year and can give him a longterm deal

This is very poor reasoning for trying to take a very good young player for next to nothing.

This is a bad trade offer. As someone else already said if you're going to pay him like Newhook, pay the organization in a similar way to the Newhook trade. Not to mention that Pinto is better.

Drury and Pinto's potential aren't even in the same stratosphere, Chatfield is a 6/7 on Ottawa and a third is nothing.

How would it feel to have an organization offer a second and a bottom six prospect for Jarvis. Because it amounts to the same thing.

You’re the king of bad takes. He had a 20 goal season as a rookie after missing a whole season. He has very good 2 way 2C potential like Brock Nelson . He’s not getting traded unless it’s a 1 for 1 for a. Very good similar young RD

Pinto hasn’t even had his breakout season yet .

Okay, did you really try to argue Pinto is better than Newhook? That's not even close to being true. They're about the same in quality right now with both having a lot of room to grow offensively. In terms of potential, Newhook blows Pinto away. You then tried to compare Newhook to Pinto which is even funnier because Jarvis' entire gimmick is that he's either going to boom and be a 100 point player or he's going to be in the KHL very quickly.

Pinto's got good 50 point upside, and he's above average defensively. Issue is, Newhook's actually better defensively. Not to mention, Newhooks ability to play wing, the fact he's already got a Stanley Cup ring so he can speak as to the difficulties of winning it, and the fact he's got a FAR higher ceiling. There's a reason Pinto wasn't a 1st rounder, let alone a projected top 10 pick before that draft like Newhook. It's obviously 4 years down the road, but both players are still young enough to say that ceiling is far higher for Newhook.

Chatfield's probably a third-pairing guy in Ottawa as a 5-6 guy, that's probably about fair. The issue with this is that he can play top four minutes, and actually did at times for Carolina. He's also on less than league minimum for the year, and that's a very valuable contract.

TL;DR Maybe it's not enough for Pinto, but you're wildly overrating him here.

This is hilariously. You're trades already been called out as being incredibly favorable for Carolina. Pinto and Newhook have similar celling's with Pinto having 20 less points in 60 less games played. Newhook was also a passenger on an team that had Nathan MacKinnon et al.

Come on this is copium and you know this.

Also "You pay a contract foe what a player is, you trade for someone this young for what they will be, and Pinto won't be in the same realm as Newhook," if you pay for what a player will be, then you are thinking that Pinto will be a 10-20 goal 3c for his career with limited impact. Not a young 2/3c with significant offensive and defensive upside who could form one of the leagues best center cores in the years to come with Norris and Stutzle.

Also Ellers got a 2nd at the TDL for being a solid 10 goal 3c. That offer is objectively better than the one that you have presented.

For a player that is better. The season that he just had is worth more than you're offer.

Pinto's whole hype is that he is good defensively, something you would know if you watched him.

Newhook vs Pinto is like comparing Beauvillier and Backlund if they were the same age. Who cares about Stanley cup, he wasn’t a big reason for them winning it. Newhook will be at best a middle 6 winger, where Pinto will be a solid 2 way 2C with very good faceoffs skills and PK. He had 20 goals and 35pts as a rookie after missing a whole year and it wasn’t even his breakout season.

If Norris stays healthy he could have a huge season given the experience that he got last year and the fact that he'll be playing with better linemates and will be playing against a lower level of competition.

Pinto scored 35 points playing with guys like Giroux, Tkachuk, DeBrincat... Newhook did it playing with Arturri Lehkonen... and Newhook plays wing. You're arguing that Pinto could have a strong offensive and defensive impact, which is half true. He was actually a hindrance offensively. Playing with better linemates like that and still not being above average offensively should be really worrying. He's got the ability to be someone like Jordan Staal, not Patrice Bergeron.



And to try and say Lars Eller's deadline move is even remotely relevant here is comical. Eller's a Stanley Cup champion, and he's just better than Pinto across the board. While he's also a lot older, he's the better player right now. Stop it

lots of bad argument here. winning a cup has nothing to do newhook potential. he was barely a factor in it and played a.minor role too. the fact he can play wing has more to do that he was not doing the best job as a center. for what thats worth, the fact pinto played well enough to solidify himself as a center is more valuable.

yes pinto was drafted later, doesnt mean squat for his potential. dont forget ( i know people will always brong this to you for the rest of your life) you compared morrow to being better than makar and nikishkin is also the next coming of christ. they both were either second round or late pick. i dont see you argue that their potebtial is low because of draft rank.

Pinto's mediocre defensively. You know, something you could admit if you weren't biased.