Keep Holtz cuz they won’t be able to re-sign Buch

Leaf's top 9 is better

I didn't realize you were talking about the Leafs

No thanks. I'd rather keep Holtz than use him on a rental

Leafs' top4 forwards would have the edge, but the Devils have much better depth.

I'd rather have more snot in my top 9, so the Leafs get the edge IMO

Not interested, thanks.

I agree but the Edge in the top 4 is grater than the depth

Blues decline. We don't want more winger prospects, we have plenty of them already.



You do realize that Buch has 2 years left on his contract

It’s funny how no one wanted Buchy or realized he was good until after the rangers traded him for a terrible return lol

Why are we giving up on Holtz so fast? He never had a chance last year cuz the Devils had their roster set. Stop FFS. no thanks on buch rather barab

Well tbf he’s gotten a whole lot better but blais and a 2nd is still so low even then

There's still people out here who think he's just a 2nd liner. One even called him a 3rd liner. Most people don't really watch much hockey.

Caniac moment 😭💀😂🤦‍♂️

Did you mean Barbashev there?

If so, they are wildly different players. Barbashev is a middle six guy on his own who has the ability to play almost any style. Buch is an elite two way forward. He’s a much better generator of offense but lacks the physicality that Barbashev has.

Well the rumor is that there was no trade market for him. Apparently only two teams wanted him and that’s the best offer Drury got. I don’t believe it though

That doesn't make up for the 4 other studs

Holy **** leafs fans are delusional. The devils have the better Cs in the top 4. and the difference between bratt+meier to nylander+marner doesn't outweigh what in this case would be 3 near ppg players and ondrej palat

who else do you have at forward to compare to Toffoli? to buch? to mercer?

Buddy here is delusional... Matthews is a top 3 player in the league... He's so much better than Hughes and JT's a PPG, better than Hischier especially with where he scores his goals... All in front of the net in the dirty areas

Marner>Bratt and Nylander>Meier

Bert>Mercer

Domi>Toffoli

And so who's a comp to Knies or Kampf or Jarnkrok?

No need to be blinded by being delusional

I haven’t heard any reports about Buch trades at all
I very much doubt he’s on the block at all

Did the Devils trade for McDavid?

#34 has more goals in the last 4 years than your 2 have in their careers combined. He;s 1.12 Pts per game and 0.62 Goals per game (and that's not far off your 2 centers pts per game at 0.78)

He's also a stud defensively leading NHL forwards in takeaways.

Matthews alone is better than your top 4

Bert and Domi takes are WILD. There's a reason neither could get more than a 1 year prove it deal. They are not CLOSE to mercer and toffoli (both at or near 30 goals this year).

Hischier is better on both sides of the ice than Tavares and it's not close defensively.

Knies??? In this case he's once again not close to 30 goal scorer PPG player buchnevich, and in general also a lower rated prospect than Holtz by most sources.
Jarnkrok is once again nothing compared to palat.
and Haula is better than Kampf.

To rank the top 9s.

1. Matthews
2. Hughes
3. Marner
4. Hischier
5. Nylander
6. Tavares
7. Meier
8. Bratt
9. Buch
10. Mercer
11. Toffoli
12. Bertuzzi
13. Palat
14. Haula
15. Domi
16. Jarnkrok
17. Kampf
18. Knies
The market doesn't lie as much as you can pretend it does with your UFAs

Hischier is a PPG selke dman with the analytics to back it up.

The devils last year were better than the leafs. They now add a full season of meier and palat, and toffoli and in this scenario buch to their top 9

Meier+Palat+Toffoli+Buch (or Holtz in real life)vs Zetterlund+Tatar+Yegor+Boqvist
PLUS more development of Mercer and Hughes

the leafs replaced ROR and Bunting with domi and bertuzzi. in my opinion that's a downgrade, but you can argue equal if you want. There's a reason ROR and Bunting were able to secure multi year deals
and added knies

The best line in hockey this past year by xgoals%:
Hughes Haula Bratt at 70%, or the same as Tavares Matthews Marner on a small sample size of 32 minutes

then you can follow that up in this case with 5 30 goal scorers (if you include buch) and ONDREJ PALAT.

your 3rd line wouldn't even remotely compare to a 3rd line of Toffoli Mercer Palat

No, the Devils weren't better than the Leafs and the analytics don't back it up (The Leafs beat the Devils 2 out of 3 times they met), even from a down year from Matthews and playing Murray instead of Sammy... And playing in a much better division

Expect Knies, Bert, Domi, Klingberg all to take steps with development from Holmberg and Lilly

Again, besides being delusional, there is nothing that proves the Leafs being worse than the Devils

This is so bad... xG isn't a very good stat... you know what is a good stat to determine team vs team: head to head last year, despite Matthews either being out or playing hurt (their best player) and Murray getting the starts instead of Sammy, the Leafs went 2-0-1 agaisnt the Devils last year, I think it's obvious who the better team is