I think Leo might make the team out of camp and get his 9 game stint and then head back to Sweden or the AHL. Once he heads back, Rico to 3C, and Jarnkrok to 2LW. The last 3 bottom 6 winger spots (after Vatrano) will likely be some combination/rotation of Jones, Nesterenko, Regenda, McGinn, and Leason until one of them stands above the others.
Thoughts on bringing in Jarnkrok? Not exactly a Verbeek style player, but I think he would fit into this roster pretty well.
X factor here is that I am assuming the Ducks are on his 10 team no trade list so he would need to waive, but I like the addition of a relatively cheap and defensively sound vet. The term is a little bit of a worry, but not so much that I would be against this deal at a $2.1M cap hit. I wouldn't give any assets for him given the Leafs cap situation, and just the fact that we shouldnt really be spending assets on older middle 6 guys before this season. Plus I think the Leafs would be fine just shedding that salary and contract for no return. Maybe they ask for a late round pick, but I dont think he returns anything worth crying over. I'm sure at least one Leafs fan will tell me that we need to throw in McTavish to make the deal work, but I'll live.
Other than a potential partner for Jamie (revisit the Derek Forbort hype train anyone?), which I dont actually think is super necessary at this point, I would be pretty content rolling out this roster on opening night. This should be a big growth year for a lot of the young guys who are now playing with some pretty established veterans, and a great opportunity for our prospects to audition for a role. The roster is full enough to show that we arent trying to lose, but not too full to where we are preventing our prospects from getting an opportunity.
Strome at 1C is a hot take I know, but I think if Z is going to eventually move to the wing anyways, now is as good a time as any. Plus Strome looked strides better on a line with Z last year, so I think he could bounce back pretty well on this line with Terry. Maybe prove himself worthy of being traded next season...
Almost 23M coming off the books next year and only really need to resign Jones, LaCombe, and Lundy. A chunk of fringe players that dont look to be getting big raises as well like Nesterenko, Groulx, Tracey, and Regenda. Probably want to leave enough space for the McTavish extension that comes the following year as in 25-26, we have barely over 8M coming off the books and need to extend Dostal and McTavish. I guess we let Frank walk?
As a Leafs fan, I have zero desire in trading Jarnkrok. He is a very good middle 6 forward at a reasonable contract. Leafs can make the cap work right now, as they are currently constructed, so they don't need to shed cap. He is a hard working, all around player for 2.1m a year.
If we trade him, I would want at least a 2nd round pick back, otherwise it doesn't make sense.
If Anaheim can get him for free (as you suggested here), they should definitely do it. He will help insulate their young guys a lot.
As a Leafs fan, I have zero desire in trading Jarnkrok. He is a very good middle 6 forward at a reasonable contract. Leafs can make the cap work right now, as they are currently constructed, so they don't need to shed cap. He is a hard working, all around player for 2.1m a year.
If we trade him, I would want at least a 2nd round pick back, otherwise it doesn't make sense.
If Anaheim can get him for free (as you suggested here), they should definitely do it. He will help insulate their young guys a lot.
Isn't that why Verbeek signed Killorn? To insulate their young guys? 🤔
Rico Z Strome
Jones McTavish Terry
Vatrano Carlsson Killorn
That’s my top 9 as of right now — if anything, I’d trade Rico and then throw 4.5-5 million at Tatar to gain assets now but also instantly fill the position
As a Leafs fan, I have zero desire in trading Jarnkrok. He is a very good middle 6 forward at a reasonable contract. Leafs can make the cap work right now, as they are currently constructed, so they don't need to shed cap. He is a hard working, all around player for 2.1m a year.
If we trade him, I would want at least a 2nd round pick back, otherwise it doesn't make sense.
If Anaheim can get him for free (as you suggested here), they should definitely do it. He will help insulate their young guys a lot.
And as Anaheim fans, I don’t see them giving up anything higher than a 4th. Rebuilding teams will value a top 40 pick way more than a middle 6 bet.
TOR needs to get below the cap somehow, not saying Jarn is how they need to do it by any means, but outside looking in, I’d guess TOR is going to have very little leverage in those convos since their trade partner knows they need to offload salary
As a Leafs fan, I have zero desire in trading Jarnkrok. He is a very good middle 6 forward at a reasonable contract. Leafs can make the cap work right now, as they are currently constructed, so they don't need to shed cap. He is a hard working, all around player for 2.1m a year.
If we trade him, I would want at least a 2nd round pick back, otherwise it doesn't make sense.
If Anaheim can get him for free (as you suggested here), they should definitely do it. He will help insulate their young guys a lot.
I think that is very reasonable perspective for both teams. Maybe a deal moreso around a 4th or 5th in exchange would be something the Ducks would accept, but we should not be giving up a 2nd at this point in time, I wouldnt even risk a 3rd as we dont figure to be truly competitive until the Jarnkrok contract would expire. To be honest if I were the Leafs, I think Jarnkrok is a type of player that they should hang onto, especially at that cap hit. You know better than I about the Leafs cap situation, but if a drop in cap is necessary, I am not sure what options outside of Jarnkrok are appealing
Rico Z Strome
Jones McTavish Terry
Vatrano Carlsson Killorn
That’s my top 9 as of right now — if anything, I’d trade Rico and then throw 4.5-5 million at Tatar to gain assets now but also instantly fill the position
I dont hate that construction. I too would like to see the Jones - McT - Terry line given another shot, but Im just not sure that is a the line I would choose to start the season. Its a big risk playing Jones in the top 6. A risk I guess we can afford, but I think it really depends how everyone is looking in camp, I think there are a lot of different constructions of lines we could go with so it should be interesting to see who slots where
As a Leafs fan, I have zero desire in trading Jarnkrok. He is a very good middle 6 forward at a reasonable contract. Leafs can make the cap work right now, as they are currently constructed, so they don't need to shed cap. He is a hard working, all around player for 2.1m a year.
Quoting: Jded
And as Anaheim fans, I don’t see them giving up anything higher than a 4th. Rebuilding teams will value a top 40 pick way more than a middle 6 bet.
Don't forget, Jarnkrok has a 10-team NTC. We have no way of knowing exactly which 10 teams are on it, but let's just say he wants to play on a winner and doesn't want to play on a team that finished bottom-10 last year. Unfortunately, of those 12 teams up there, 8 of them were bottom-10, leaving you Nashville, Buffalo, Pittsburgh, and Florida.
I'll make the assumption that the Panthers and Penguins aren't necessarily going to go out of their way to waste their LTIR space on a bottom-6 guy at this point - since they won't be accruing cap space til the deadline like non-LTIR teams, those dollars are more precious and probably get hoarded til much closer to the deadline.
That leaves you the Sabres & Predators. Buffalo has more young forwards than they currently have roster spots for all of them, so I don't think a 32 year old Jarnkrok really appeals to them. Maybe Nashville likes Calle, though - he's played there before, and he's clearly better than a lot of what they currently have penciled in to their bottom-6. But, y'know, if they're you're only option to move this cap that you NEED to move to be compliant, you surely can't really expect them to give you full value, right? After all, isn't getting cap compliant valuable enough in its own right? Especially when you're moving a guy that's not really integral to your team...I mean, if you want to move TJ Brodie, I GUESS someone would pay for *him*, but then you have to play Connor Timmins every night, right?
Danibal had a fantastic take. In a vacuum, Jarnkrok has value. In the context of this season, it's difficult to get it.
There's room for Jarnktok on our roster, but I'd only cough up a late round pick to acquire him, or a minor prospect.
And as Anaheim fans, I don’t see them giving up anything higher than a 4th. Rebuilding teams will value a top 40 pick way more than a middle 6 bet.
TOR needs to get below the cap somehow, not saying Jarn is how they need to do it by any means, but outside looking in, I’d guess TOR is going to have very little leverage in those convos since their trade partner knows they need to offload salary
Leafs can easily get under the cap - by running a 20 man roster. Not ideal but they’ve done it before. Risk is they’d have to run a few guys through waiver wire (Timmins, Gambrell, Jones) but I seriously doubt they’d get claimed - but once they get through that - farm team plays in same city so easy to move players up / down in case of injuries.
Leafs can easily get under the cap - by running a 20 man roster. Not ideal but they’ve done it before. Risk is they’d have to run a few guys through waiver wire (Timmins, Gambrell, Jones) but I seriously doubt they’d get claimed - but once they get through that - farm team plays in same city so easy to move players up / down in case of injuries.
Great, maybe they’ll do that. Just saying ANA isn’t gonna sell valuable futures for a middle 6 vet is all
Great, maybe they’ll do that. Just saying ANA isn’t gonna sell valuable futures for a middle 6 vet is all
No problem - trade to Ducks never made sense to me, so I get your point. But you implied the leafs are desperate to shed cap which is simply not true - just pointing that out.
No problem - trade to Ducks never made sense to me, so I get your point. But you implied the leafs are desperate to shed cap which is simply not true - just pointing that out.
I dont think I implied desperate, and I feel like I left it pretty wide open that Jarn didn’t need to be moved for them to achieve it.
Was really just saying ANA won’t be moving valuable futures for older players (on which we agree) and that in any trade TOR makes they probably won’t have a ton of leverage because of their cap situation. I feel like those are both pretty fair honestly
I dont think I implied desperate, and I feel like I left it pretty wide open that Jarn didn’t need to be moved for them to achieve it.
Was really just saying ANA won’t be moving valuable futures for older players (on which we agree) and that in any trade TOR makes they probably won’t have a ton of leverage because of their cap situation. I feel like those are both pretty fair honestly
Fair, but I’m pointing out that a trade is not required - the Leafs simply run a 29 man roster and they are compliant.
I'm a big believer in Toronto holding on to both Jarnkrok and Timmins.
Likewise. I assume they start with a 20 man roster and that they start with 11 and 7. Unless they get LTIR injuries before the season starts, which based on the league, is actually quite possible.
I'm a big believer in Toronto holding on to both Jarnkrok and Timmins.
Quoting: TMLBRIAN
Likewise. I assume they start with a 20 man roster and that they start with 11 and 7. Unless they get LTIR injuries before the season starts, which based on the league, is actually quite possible.
I hope they keep Timmins also.
Damn you guys for ruining my fun with reasonable arguments why it wont work. Looks like my original Jarnkrok for FC deal is a little off
Rico Z Strome
Jones McTavish Terry
Vatrano Carlsson Killorn
That’s my top 9 as of right now — if anything, I’d trade Rico and then throw 4.5-5 million at Tatar to gain assets now but also instantly fill the position
I’m against Killorn on the 3rd line. He should be playing with Zegras and Terry. Put Henrique with McTavish: they had some good chemistry together
I’m against Killorn on the 3rd line. He should be playing with Zegras and Terry. Put Henrique with McTavish: they had some good chemistry together
1st line has showed us they can perform last year together, 2nd line was starting to look good when they played together and Jones was gaining that swagger we've been hopeful for, 3rd line gives Carlsson a sniper and a power forward who has been around for a long time -- all feels perfect to me
1st line has showed us they can perform last year together, 2nd line was starting to look good when they played together and Jones was gaining that swagger we've been hopeful for, 3rd line gives Carlsson a sniper and a power forward who has been around for a long time -- all feels perfect to me
Im iffy about Jones. He’s gonna need to have a really good camp and preseason if he’s gonna be top 6.
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